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      01-12-2019, 12:27 PM   #243
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I dont agree with declaring a national emergency but want the wall. The problem is the emergency play creates a precident which will be used by the next dem president to declare there arent enough transgender bathrooms and shift all funds from the military to build them.
Sadly, this could happen.
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Yes I know bunch of softy fucks these days maybe safe spaces will get built on every corner too.
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Yes I know bunch of softy fucks these days maybe safe spaces will get built on every corner too.
They wouldn't be safe spaces because everyone would know where they are.
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I dont agree with declaring a national emergency but want the wall. The problem is the emergency play creates a precident which will be used by the next dem president to declare there arent enough transgender bathrooms and shift all funds from the military to build them.
Omg that made my day.
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      01-12-2019, 01:46 PM   #247
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That accurately describes a Trump supporter too.
You got one newly elected Dem screaming about mother fucker Trump, while lil Lenin from NY gets mad when she is told her economic hand out plan is impossible to pull off but yeah it's the Trump supporters that are overly emotional.
I absolutely will not exclude the progressive Democrats from that same description. that doesn't make the Trump supporters correct though.
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Omg that made my day.
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      01-12-2019, 02:01 PM   #249
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I absolutely will not exclude the progressive Democrats from that same description. that doesn't make the Trump supporters correct though.
Seasoned dems are not much better. Just look at Chuck and his stance on immigration 10 years ago. Today he throws tantrums over the points he supported less than a decade ago.
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Seasoned dems are not much better. Just look at Chuck and his stance on immigration 10 years ago. Today he throws tantrums over the points he supported less than a decade ago.
And Republicans used to be fiscally conservative, yet here we are. How do I know a politician is lying?
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Seasoned dems are not much better. Just look at Chuck and his stance on immigration 10 years ago. Today he throws tantrums over the points he supported less than a decade ago.
And Republicans used to be fiscally conservative, yet here we are. How do I know a politician is lying?
Better question, how do I know a politician is not lying? Simple, they are not speaking...
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Yet people still try and argue a physical barrier is not an impediment. This foolish argument makes me feel dumb just by engaging in it.
Some may argue this, but I don't think it's most, most think there are simply better uses of the money. This feels like other arguments being reframed so they can be more easily dismissed. You may disagree that there are better uses for the money, and that's fine, but don't lose sight of what is being argued about (correct or not).

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Crime is seriously underreported in the immigrant community in general and the illegal immigrant community specifically. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY TO KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL CRIME RATE IS IN THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY SINCE THEY DON'T REPORT IT.

The utter inability to put multiple data points, especially those which are directly conflicting together to form a cogent and informed decision is astounding. The data is out there. Why are people willfully ignoring it?!?!!
Huh, you know for certain that crime is under reported, then say there's no way to know what it is, then say there is data is out there? That feels like a bit of bouncing around. Should we just agree that we don't know if illegals commit mroe or less crime than anyone else and leave it at that? Or do you actually have data?

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Democrats are asking for universal health care, fixing our school system, better wages for lower class workers, fixing the environment etc... Yet they won't really address the one issue that makes the above nearly impossible to do and that is illegal immigration.
Wow, so now the wall can fix the health care system, schools, wages, AND the environment? Wow! Holy cow, if only everyone knew what you just discovered, everything would be solved!

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Because dems base their policy on hope and feels instead of results and benefit to society.
Funny, even the conservative leaning Cato institute said the wall won't work, so is it anything other than hopes and feels that have some conservatives still clamoring for it?


I posted the info several times already, but the DHS is asking for... I think it was 1.6 billion... for border security for 2019. Let's agree to give them that, and get this whole thing behind us.
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...the DHS is asking for... I think it was 1.6 billion... for border security for 2019. Let's agree to give them that, and get this whole thing behind us.
That might work if the $1.6b didn't outlaw spending on a physical barrier.
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It will work fine in conjunction with other means. It's a tool to stop most policy and policing will do rest.
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Actually saying I'm "ok" with it is pretty accurate. Though I don't "like" it, as it isn't how government should work. So I'm ok with it, but not happy or enthusiastic.



Your belief that the Democrats would "sue" POTUS really exposes your lack of understanding of the matter. Yes there surely would be legal actions to try and stop the re-appropriation, but nobody is suing POTUS on this. 😆



Do you not realize construction has already begun? Do you not realize eminent domain and environmental restrictions are FAR less of an issue when the project is directly related to national security?
My understanding of the map is probably not up to date. So Texas moved?
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I dont agree with declaring a national emergency but want the wall. The problem is the emergency play creates a precident which will be used by the next dem president to declare there arent enough transgender bathrooms and shift all funds from the military to build them.
While that's funny, you have a wrong stereotype for the democrats based on what you are seeing in the media. Most of us are not like that. What's online and in the media is just for show/business - whatever controversy works to increase the clicks and viewers. Same with the conspiracy theories at the conservative outlets.

Wrt to the wall, yes, there has to be something, but a wall by itself won't come close to solving the problem. My thought is a double fence with posts in between and laser beams/receivers from post to post and guard posts every mile or so. If the lasers are tripped, the guard can go investigate/shoot the intruder.

There is no perfect solution to this problem. The only solution is to elevate the living standard in Mexico so people won't need to come over. The US government obviously won't invest or encourage investments in Mexico, because it will be blamed for outsourcing jobs.

If you think about it, that's what the EU is doing. They expanded the union and incorporated former Eastern Bloc countries and have been pouring money there to raise the standard and also to use cheaper labor. Now the middle east refugees need to pass through all those countries to get to Western Europe. They originally gave those countries only rights to travel without visas, but no work permits. Once the countries got fully integrated, the Western part started complaining about too many foreign workers, because there is still a substantial difference in the living standard. I can't say it's working great, but it looks better than the US/Mexico debacle. The biggest blow to this strategy was Merkel's intent to accommodate hundreds of thousands of refugees. Then they struck a deal with Turkey where Turkey gets paid to hold the refugees.
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I dont agree with declaring a national emergency but want the wall. The problem is the emergency play creates a precident which will be used by the next dem president to declare there arent enough transgender bathrooms and shift all funds from the military to build them.
While that's funny, you have a wrong stereotype for the democrats based on what you are seeing in the media. Most of us are not like that. What's online and in the media is just for show/business - whatever controversy works to increase the clicks and viewers. Same with the conspiracy theories at the conservative outlets.

Wrt to the wall, yes, there has to be something, but a wall by itself won't come close to solving the problem. My thought is a double fence with posts in between and laser beams/receivers from post to post and guard posts every mile or so. If the lasers are tripped, the guard can go investigate/shoot the intruder.

There is no perfect solution to this problem. The only solution is to elevate the living standard in Mexico so people won't need to come over. The US government obviously won't invest or encourage investments in Mexico, because it will be blamed for outsourcing jobs.

If you think about it, that's what the EU is doing. They expanded the union and incorporated former Eastern Bloc countries and have been pouring money there to raise the standard and also to use cheaper labor. Now the middle east refugees need to pass through all those countries to get to Western Europe. They originally gave those countries only rights to travel without visas, but no work permits. Once the countries got fully integrated, the Western part started complaining about too many foreign workers, because there is still a substantial difference in the living standard. I can't say it's working great, but it looks better than the US/Mexico debacle. The biggest blow to this strategy was Merkel's intent to accommodate hundreds of thousands of refugees. Then they struck a deal with Turkey where Turkey gets paid to hold the refugees.
I'll give you a solution.

Step 1: A Yuge Wall

Step 2: enforce current immigration laws

Step 3: FINE EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS that uses illegal immigrant workers. Bankrupt them if need be.

Step 4: abolish anchor baby laws

Poof No more illegal immigrant issues. It's really that simple.
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That might work if the $1.6b didn't outlaw spending on a physical barrier.
That's what it's for. I should have been more clear.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...BIB%202019.pdf

"As part of the Administration's plan for the border wall, the FY 2019 Presidentís Budget proposes $1.6 billion to support the construction of 65 miles of border wall system in one of the U.S. Border Patrolís top priority areas of responsibility, the Rio Grande Valley (RGV) Sector, in southern Texas. These priority investments will have the greatest impact on gaining and maintaining operational control of the border in the RGV Sector.

In addition, the FY 2019 Presidentís Budget proposes an additional $211 million to support efforts to recruit, hire, and train 750 new Border Patrol Agents. CBP remains committed to fully implementing the directives in E.O. 13767 to strengthen border security and enhance public safety in communities across the United States. "
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I hope your right about the dems, but we may be trying to make America enough of a shithole so they wont want to come.
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I hope your right about the dems, but we may be trying to make America enough of a shithole so they wont want to come.
We don’t seem to learn to keep people out who turned their homelands into shitholes and now want to do the same to ours. Californians moving to Texas also comes to mind.
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We don’t seem to learn to keep people out who turned their homelands into shitholes and now want to do the same to ours. Californians moving to Texas also comes to mind.
As a 35+ year resident of Austin, Tx, I can tell you that San Francisco moving to Austin sure did not make Austin a better place. Just my opinion - YMMV.
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I might consider texas myself or Idaho, Montana.
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As a 35+ year resident of Austin, Tx, I can tell you that San Francisco moving to Austin sure did not make Austin a better place. Just my opinion - YMMV.
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