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      10-13-2021, 02:51 AM   #23
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Just one quick comment about the range: Rim/Tire choice has a big impact on range according to BMW itself. The 19's without performance tires add about 40-60 Kms of range. All the cars being tested in these videos have the bigger 20 inch rims with performance tiers, and that's the worst setup you can have if range maximization is what you favour the most. Adding to that the fact that most these guys are hammering the car on the autobahn, it's not surprising their range figures are nothing like what BMW has announced.
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I have found my next car. Totally buying this next year
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      10-13-2021, 03:21 AM   #25
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CarWow just released their video. I'd post it, but that just gives the OP the opportunity to add it to post 1 without duplicating it.
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      10-13-2021, 03:37 AM   #26
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Well done, BMW.
I'll take a Touring version, please.
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I have 4 Tesla supercharging stations within 50 miles of me. The nearest fast charging station I could use for this car is about 2 hours away, and it would take 45 minutes to charge to 80%. I want one, but it would have to be a local commuter or only used on specific pre-planned trips with little room for spontaneity. A few more years perhaps…
Just wait and see if Papa Elon will open up the chargers to other OEM's, he said that's in the works.
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      10-13-2021, 05:52 AM   #29
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Just wait and see if Papa Elon will open up the chargers to other OEM's, he said that's in the works.
So charge it at home, that's the thing about EVs, you don't need to travel somewhere to get it filled up. You charge it at home, and only use fast chargers when you're actually going somewhere you need to charge to get there or to get home after.
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That was the one I was most interested to see, I always enjoy Matts reviews, he's usually pretty direct and no BS (his jokes aside, which I like anyway usually).

FWIW I'm pretty certain Thomas over at Autogefuhl is a big Audi fan, I even commented that on one of his videos and he denied it, but he alway seems to be all over anything Audi. I guess in a way that's no difference to Joe Achilles, but he's more a of a BMW focussed channel anyway (or at least used to be).
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First EV I am considering buying. Especially with 7500 tax credit.

Reasons I haven't ordered yet

1) Weight, 5,000 lbs
2) not sure I want to own, cars already bad investment and now you make it a tech item, they will depreciate even faster
3) full blown M coming?
Becoming a tech item has always been my biggest concern with EV's. The tech ages so much faster than in years past.
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First EV I am considering buying. Especially with 7500 tax credit.

Reasons I haven't ordered yet

1) Weight, 5,000 lbs
2) not sure I want to own, cars already bad investment and now you make it a tech item, they will depreciate even faster
3) full blown M coming?
Becoming a tech item has always been my biggest concern with EV's. The tech ages so much faster than in years past.
Agree problem with EVs is like a cellphone next year. It's outdated and easily switchable. Unlikely an ICE powertrain, EVs will see constant software and hardware updates
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      10-13-2021, 09:00 AM   #33
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Only EV I'd consider...if I were forced to buy an EV.

With that being said, 5000 lbs LOL. I'd imagine price will be pretty much in line with the M3. So save for the convenience/cost savings of charging at home, what possible advantage does this offer to the enthusiast over an M3?
It's an EV. It's not an M3 competitor.

I take it you haven't had much time behind the wheel of a performance-oriented EV?
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      10-13-2021, 09:24 AM   #34
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I think all these 'transition' cars are going to look very dated once the next generation of from-the-ground-up BMW EVs comes to market. By 'transition', I mean where they just take a design based on an ICE +gearbox +drivetrain and simply drop-in EV components instead: often leaving empty space and completely redundant hangovers from the ICE like a high, long bonnet.

It's a personal view, of course, but if I'm buying an EV at a price premium, then I want it to be redesigned from the ground up, like the i vision circular.
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I think all these 'transition' cars are going to look very dated once the next generation of from-the-ground-up BMW EVs comes to market. By 'transition', I mean where they just take a design based on an ICE +gearbox +drivetrain and simply drop-in EV components instead: often leaving empty space and completely redundant hangovers from the ICE like a high, long bonnet.

It's a personal view, of course, but if I'm buying an EV at a price premium, then I want it to be redesigned from the ground up, like the i vision circular.
"Price premium" is a relative and subjective matter, of course, but this M50 model is actually very competitive priced, considering the feature set and performance numbers. The reason BMW is able to offer it at this price is precisely because it is based on the CLAR architecture/platform, and did NOT have to design an EV from the ground up. If it did, this would probably be $10-20k higher.
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So charge it at home, that's the thing about EVs, you don't need to travel somewhere to get it filled up. You charge it at home, and only use fast chargers when you're actually going somewhere you need to charge to get there or to get home after.
That's great... except for those of us that travel a modest distance away from home often. Kids in traveling sports, heading out to a meeting with a client, day trips to an event, etc.. 200 miles round trip is a weekly occurrence for many, and using 67% of range when you're likely dealing with an 80% starting charge makes that quite annoying. Hopefully Pappa Elon comes through like KaptainKloss mentions.
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First EV I am considering buying. Especially with 7500 tax credit.

Reasons I haven't ordered yet

1) Weight, 5,000 lbs
I keep seeing 5000lbs thrown around, but several video reviews mentioned the car weighing 2.2 tons, which would be 4400lbs. Wonder which one is correct?
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Hopefully they offer an M performance exhaust.
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Hopefully they offer an M performance exhaust.
Well, they already have activesound and fake burbles…

Could be something like this:

https://thor-tuning.com/?utm_source=...xoC58EQAvD_BwE
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It's an EV. It's not an M3 competitor.

I take it you haven't had much time behind the wheel of a performance-oriented EV?
I used to work for Tesla my friend.

What are you getting at? 0-60, instant torque? The usual?
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I think all these 'transition' cars are going to look very dated once the next generation of from-the-ground-up BMW EVs comes to market. By 'transition', I mean where they just take a design based on an ICE +gearbox +drivetrain and simply drop-in EV components instead: often leaving empty space and completely redundant hangovers from the ICE like a high, long bonnet.

It's a personal view, of course, but if I'm buying an EV at a price premium, then I want it to be redesigned from the ground up, like the i vision circular.
Long bonnets make a car look good.

I'd rather not go back to the cab forward designs of the 1990's. BMW never went through that phase because they were RWD only. Thank god.
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First EV I am considering buying. Especially with 7500 tax credit.

Reasons I haven't ordered yet

1) Weight, 5,000 lbs
I keep seeing 5000lbs thrown around, but several video reviews mentioned the car weighing 2.2 tons, which would be 4400lbs. Wonder which one is correct?
Weight Unladen (EU) is 2290kg=5049lbs
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3) full blown M coming?
In the Autogefühl review, Thomas reported on EVs there will be no "M Performance" / "M" distinction.

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With the electric vehicles there will be no differentiation between M performance models and true M models. It's just the "M" models. That's a new thing coming here with the EV lineup. So the M50 is kinda then a true M model for them.
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That is a one big M logo on the front grill!!
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I am surprised at how the new styling up front works much better here than on the ICE models. (G8x and m440). I don't know why but the big grills look better. Flatter and no big gaps? Anyhow, sounds like the car is going to be a nice ev. I feel like I am going to need one more ICE car before I jump but not 100% anymore. This has peaked my interest. I really like our current Leaf plus for day to day driving and think this would be a fun replacement for that. We'll see in a year.
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