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      12-13-2018, 01:32 PM   #155
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We don't have checks and balances and separation of powers. The minister has complete discretion.
I have no idea what you are talking about anymore.
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We don't have checks and balances and separation of powers. The minister has complete discretion.
This is based on international treaty, the Minister would be crucified if they tried to interfere. Further more, this is a two way street as Canada often extradites accused criminals from the US. That is not a treaty you want to blow up.
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Wait was it CA (eh?) or Ca (dude!) that is trying to tax texting???? Maybe Huawei has a way to do this easily
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      12-13-2018, 01:49 PM   #158
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Wait was it CA (eh?) or Ca (dude!) that is trying to tax texting???? Maybe Huawei has a way to do this easily
California. Ridiculous idea. some bone head with no technical background must have thought that up.
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California.
Heads over to bimmerpost suggestions for a sarcasm font AGAIN
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      12-13-2018, 02:01 PM   #160
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Heads over to bimmerpost suggestions for a sarcasm font AGAIN
Yup...you lost me on that one.
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      12-13-2018, 02:08 PM   #161
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This is based on international treaty, the Minister would be crucified if they tried to interfere. Further more, this is a two way street as Canada often extradites accused criminals from the US. That is not a treaty you want to blow up.
Arresting the CFO of a major multinational is like arresting a visiting statesman. If the shoe were on the other foot the Americans would tell us to go to hell. The Trudeau government now has a few short months at most to straighten this out or else they'll go into an election with several Canadians held hostage and severe trade retaliation from China. Oh, and you can be sure Trump will gang up with Xi to ensure that Trudeau is defeated.
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      12-13-2018, 02:20 PM   #162
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Arresting the CFO of a major multinational is like arresting a visiting statesman.
No it's not...diplomatic immunity.

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If the shoe were on the other foot the Americans would tell us to go to hell.
No they wouldn't as they are bound by the same treaty.

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The Trudeau government now has a few short months at most to straighten this out or else they'll go into an election with several Canadians held hostage and severe trade retaliation from China.
The election isn't until next October. This will be long since settled before then. Again the courts are dealing with this....What trade retaliation?

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Oh, and you can be sure Trump will gang up with Xi to ensure that Trudeau is defeated.
Remove your head from your rectum.
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      12-14-2018, 01:14 PM   #163
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First Saudi Arabia, now China — Canada has a new foe, and its southern ally isn’t helping
https://globalnews.ca/news/4761758/c...united-states/
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First Saudi Arabia, now China ó Canada has a new foe, and its southern ally isnít helping
https://globalnews.ca/news/4761758/c...united-states/
No one cares about Canada and Canada has next to no influence outside of its own borders. Not exactly breaking news haha
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      12-14-2018, 03:25 PM   #165
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No one cares about Canada and Canada has next to no influence outside of its own borders. Not exactly breaking news haha
Canada is one of the most if not THE most respected country in the world. What Trump doesn't get is if here were to keep Canada close to him we can make it a lot easier for him when working with other countries. We may not be feared but we are respected..the two together ware unstoppable.
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it is the U.S. that is flouting international law here...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...l-rule-of-law/

Canada's best bet was to do an "Oops! She slipped through our fingers.". However, I suspect CSIS and the RCMP would have leaked the truth.
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What Trump doesn't get is if he were to keep Canada close to him we can make it a lot easier for him when working with other countries.
What Trudeau doesn't get is if he were to keep the United States close to him we could make it a lot easier for him when working with other countries. 💡

China is indisputably a bad actor... They even just took two Canadians hostage... Yet it seems like even now they want to side with anyone and anything opposing POTUS! It really is a disgrace. Canadians should be embarrassed by their leadership prioritizing such pettiness over their national interests.
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      12-16-2018, 04:02 PM   #168
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What Trudeau doesn't get is if he were to keep the United States close to him we could make it a lot easier for him when working with other countries. 💡
How has working with other countries been going for Trump

China is indisputably a bad actor... They even just took two Canadians hostage... Yet it seems like even now they want to side with anyone and anything opposing POTUS! It really is a disgrace. Canadians should be embarrassed by their leadership prioritizing such pettiness over their national interests.[/quote]

Trump should have kept his damn mouth shut about this issue and let the legal system handle it. The only thing that's embarrassing is our neighbours asked us to do them a favour and have left us holding the bag.
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How has working with other countries been going for Trump

China is indisputably a bad actor... They even just took two Canadians hostage... Yet it seems like even now they want to side with anyone and anything opposing POTUS! It really is a disgrace. Canadians should be embarrassed by their leadership prioritizing such pettiness over their national interests.
Trump should have kept his damn mouth shut about this issue and let the legal system handle it. The only thing that's embarrassing is our neighbours asked us to do them a favour and have left us holding the bag.[/quote]

As you've previously said in this thread, we didn't have a choice, the arrest was required under the extradition treaty. We weren't doing the US a favour. And FTR, I agree Trump is a boor and this might all be a political piece of Kabuki Theatre but I don't blame Trump, and I think Freeland and Trudeau have done their fair share of running their mouths to Canada's detriment regarding Canada US relations.
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...chinas-huawei/

"Spy chiefs from the Five Eyes intelligence network briefed Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on two occasions this year about the national-security risk from Chinese high-tech giant Huawei − meetings that took place months before Canadaís arrest of a top Huawei executive severely strained relations with Beijing."
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      12-17-2018, 05:42 PM   #171
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"Spy chiefs from the Five Eyes intelligence network briefed Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on two occasions this year about the national-security risk from Chinese high-tech giant Huawei − meetings that took place months before Canada’s arrest of a top Huawei executive severely strained relations with Beijing."
If they used big words he wouldn't have understood what they were talking about. I know some people get upset when I call Trudeau an idiot or Mr Dress Up......the fact is that he has said in the past that he envy's China and their ability to get things done (that's because they're communists and don't care about who they crush to get what they want), but then again he also worshiped his father Fidel Castro.
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So I haven't seen any updated news here in the USA on this. Where do we stand? Is she still out on bail waiting on an extradition hearing?
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So I haven't seen any updated news here in the USA on this. Where do we stand? Is she still out on bail waiting on an extradition hearing?
I suspect, the way the Canadian courts move it will likely take some time to do the hearing, hence the need for a bail hearing. In Ontario the rule is about 15-18 months to get criminal matters to trial, more serious offences like murder often take closer to 2-3 years.....its a disgrace.
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Sucks for the Canadians being held in China. The Chinese judicial system is completely tied to the political system. They make the call and people disappear.

I'm pretty sure it is retaliation for what Canada did.
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I suspect, the way the Canadian courts move it will likely take some time to do the hearing, hence the need for a bail hearing. In Ontario the rule is about 15-18 months to get criminal matters to trial, more serious offences like murder often take closer to 2-3 years.....its a disgrace.
Yeah - but she isn't on trial in Canada, she isn't even charged with a Canadian crime. I believe this is simply a hearing to approve or disapprove extradition. The only reason it wouldn't be approved would be if it could be proven that she wouldn't receive a fair trial or be exposed to cruel and unusual punishment in the USA, neither of which would have standing in this case, one would think.
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Sucks for the Canadians being held in China. The Chinese judicial system is completely tied to the political system. They make the call and people disappear.

I'm pretty sure it is retaliation for what Canada did.
I saw on the news she will be living in one of the two houses she owns in Vancouver while out on bail. Pretty sure the Canadians getting shafted by the Chinese government wont have the same creature comforts.
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