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      08-28-2008, 06:54 PM   #1
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GUYs, who ever has sick muscles and knows how to get them and has alot of experience. I have a question....


Is it better to have a protein drink before a hard workout or is it better to have a protein drink after?
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      08-28-2008, 07:03 PM   #2
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      08-28-2008, 07:05 PM   #3
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i've read that after a workout you want protein + carbs to refule your glycogen stores taht were depleted during the workout.
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You can take it before and after, but typically it's more important to take it 15-20 mins after a hard workout so that your body can rebuild the muscle tissue that was torn during the workout.
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A preworkout is always good but not absolutely mandatory. Youll need a NO product 30 mins before your
workout. Afterwards it is very important to comsume 50-60 grams of WHEY protein.
During this period, your muscles will be starving for it.
Before bed, take Casein protein and first thing in the morning, take Whey once again because at that time,
your body will be in a catabolic state!!!!
I cant get into specifics without knowing your metabolic rate, workout plan and goal though.

..if you recieve any good info on Protein, it will just be a repeat of this post, bro. trust me.

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      08-28-2008, 07:35 PM   #6
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Preferably both. Well actually one before, one RIGHT after, and then one before bed.
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      08-28-2008, 08:38 PM   #7
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Don't forget to use some dextrose with your post workout shake, it's just as important as the protein itself.
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Don't forget to use some dextrose with your post workout shake, it's just as important as the protein itself.
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Do Crossfit. Protein after working out.
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After would be best since your body needs it the most after a workout. If your going to do one before also, do it an hour before or more so you dont get cramps or shiet because it fills you up!
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In my experience, the order of importance is as follows

1 - Protein (High Quality all the time) - any type, any time - need the amino acids to build muslce.
2 - High quality Whey protein after a work out and a mixed release protein some other time of day. Your muscles will be rebuilding up to 48hours after a good work out, so you want fast (whey) and slow release (mixed) protein to ensure your body has the materials to repair and build muscles all the time.
3 - NO through out the whole day and Creatine, generally once a day - these are supposed to help blood flow to your muscles.
4 - Drink less booze - do some research, booze seriously impairs muscle growth

Like others noted before, its hard to make specific suggestions without knowing where you are and where you want to be.

I have done a lot of research in the last few months, as i was big into lifting in college (graduated 5 yrs ago) and quit for almost 4 years and just got back into 2.5 months ago.

I have been using BSN and Ultimum Protein, BSN Nitrix, BSN NOxplode with a 6 day a week work out including only lifting (no cardio, I really hate cardio) on a 3 day rotation, and a 2.2k (900 calories from protein shakes) a day calorie intake except for one cheat day a week.

Not sure what ur goals are, mine have been to put on lean muscle and drop fat. I have gone from 144 lbs to 152 lbs and from 14% body fat to 8.5% in 2.5 months. I am at about 90-95% of the weights i was pushing in college when I topped out at 165 lbs.

Just my experience with those supplements.
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it seems like alot of you guys eat a crapload of protein powder--i mean i do too... but do you guys actually know how much your body can utilize during a certain period? i think its called net protein utilization... if your 180 lbs-- most people on a "serious" protein diet will get like 1 g protein / lb so 180 g's of protein. it's not good to take in like 50grams in one sitting, cause most likely you wont be utilizing that protein efficiency and it goes to waste... its much better to space your protein intakes over 5+ meals a day so that your body can actually use the protein instead of converting it into other necessary energy molecules.
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A proper diet is way more important than how and how much you exercise. I would say your diet accounts for ~85% of how you look. You want to be eating 5-6 times a day with 40-50grams of protein included in each meal. Include carbs in your meals before and after your workout and also as a part of your breakfast. Add healthy fats to your other meals during the day.

This is just a basic outline to get started and specifics are different for everyone. Look around on some bodybuilding forums for more information and also search google for the nutrition seminars by Milos Sarcev, they are very helpful.
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A preworkout is always good but not absolutely mandatory. Youll need a NO product 30 mins before your
workout. Afterwards it is very important to comsume 50-60 grams of WHEY protein.
During this period, your muscles will be starving for it.
Before bed, take Casein protein and first thing in the morning, take Whey once again because at that time,
your body will be in a catabolic state!!!!
I cant get into specifics without knowing your metabolic rate, workout plan and goal though.

..if you recieve any good info on Protein, it will just be a repeat of this post, bro. trust me.
I run 6 times a week 2 and half miles, up-hill 40 mins. After that I get ready for the gym. I weight lift and do 4 sets of 30 AB situps with a medicine ball.


So how do I fit food into my diet exercise plan?

Btw im 5 9" 180lbs
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Is that good for you btw?
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drink protein anytime of the day, you need it most when your muscles are most broken down.

1 lb = 1 gram of protein. dont take too much at once, spread out the servings, and dont forget to include the protein you eat in daily meals too.

if anything i would drink protein after the workout, thats just my opinion
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I run 6 times a week 2 and half miles, up-hill 40 mins. After that I get ready for the gym. I weight lift and do 4 sets of 30 AB situps with a medicine ball.


So how do I fit food into my diet exercise plan?

Btw im 5 9" 180lbs
First, ur running up hill is a type of lifting, but cardio doesnt build muscle the same way as if you are lifting. Not sure what your balance of running time to lifting time. If your running for 60 mins then lifting for 30 mins, odds are you're not getting close to your potential for muscle growth. I would reverse that time if I was you and only do the resistence running. But keep in mind once you're muscles adapt to that, you will stop building muscle and only be burning calories.

If you're running 60 mins and lifting 90 mins, then god bless you for having that much time in your day to work out.

FYI - dont need to do ab sit-ups every day, can actually be bad for you in the long run. Try doing rotating several different core moves over the days. Yes, you will be hitting your abs each day, but not in the same way and hopefully utilzing different stomach muscles.

How many day rotation are you on? Are you basically changing your whole workout routine once a month?
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