[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by ericsi

You are not very smart and suffer from severe ADHD it seems. Plus aggressiveness which isn't a great mix.

Maybe yoga and breathing deeply would help you.

Do you have experience in buying $150k cars? Did you buy and i8? Did you read Carac's very correct post #12.

If the answer to all 3 questions is no, then you should have refrained from quoting me.

I bought not one but two i8s. So yes i love the car. However, the BS circulated by both dealers and the factory and the resulting impact on prices is something i do not want to repeat. They created an impression which they did not have to do.

I bought mainly porsches but also aston and other luxury brands over the years and even if their cars depreciated, they did not try and paint it otherwise.

If you want to be in the luxury car segment you will likely deal with people who worked hard for their money and don't want to be misled. They did not have to do that.

Read the thread again and you will find a pattern among buyers who are less than impressed by bmw just like i am.

So before you offload your bitterness all over a car forum, try at least to form an informed, cohesive and thought through response.

BMW has a lot of buyers that are less than impressed with the way that the M2 has been marketed and produced as well.

[stressdoc]

Originally Posted by Aye-eight

That's almost like not distinguishing between Boeing and American Airlines.

I don't understand why people don't realize that OEMs and dealers are different players with very different business models. They need each other. They help each other, e.g. with branding and training. That doesn't mean they're one and the same.

One engineers and builds cars. One business. The other one sells and services cars. Very different business. Each one looking for a profit in their own way. And as the dealer is the last stage before the end customer, that's the one you're most likely to get screwed by.

This. Especially true with the history going back to the Hoffman days.

A few of you need to chill the online hostility.

[Louv]

Originally Posted by Aye-eight

That's almost like not distinguishing between Boeing and American Airlines.

I don't understand why people don't realize that OEMs and dealers are different players with very different business models. They need each other. They help each other, e.g. with branding and training. That doesn't mean they're one and the same.

One engineers and builds cars. One business. The other one sells and services cars. Very different business. Each one looking for a profit in their own way. And as the dealer is the last stage before the end customer, that's the one you're most likely to get screwed by.

To add to what you say, in the US the Manufacturer is forbidden by their contract from interfering in certain parts of the Dealer's business.

[Bahn360Photo]

Originally Posted by bigdnno98

I remember that deal. Is it still going on? I remember the residual was pretty crazy but zero down, 24mo lease at 10k miles a year.

Not sure but it comes and goes, November and December have the best deals on bmw's

[Rennsport3.2]

Originally Posted by ericsi

You are not very smart and suffer from severe ADHD it seems. Plus aggressiveness which isn't a great mix.

Maybe yoga and breathing deeply would help you.

Do you have experience in buying $150k cars? Did you buy and i8? Did you read Carac's very correct post #12.

If the answer to all 3 questions is no, then you should have refrained from quoting me.

I bought not one but two i8s. So yes i love the car. However, the BS circulated by both dealers and the factory and the resulting impact on prices is something i do not want to repeat. They created an impression which they did not have to do.

I bought mainly porsches but also aston and other luxury brands over the years and even if their cars depreciated, they did not try and paint it otherwise.

If you want to be in the luxury car segment you will likely deal with people who worked hard for their money and don't want to be misled. They did not have to do that.

Read the thread again and you will find a pattern among buyers who are less than impressed by bmw just like i am.

So before you offload your bitterness all over a car forum, try at least to form an informed, cohesive and thought through response.

So as an experienced buyer of high-end cars (Nice humblebrag there, chief. I'm very impressed. No, really!), you should have been more aware of the fact that BMW never said the i8 would be a limited production car, and inferred that they would have built as many of them as they could sell (or, as it seems, more than they could sell). I mean, you wanted me to know that you had two of them. And then you complain that they're not rare enough.

The only one offloading their bitterness all over a car forum is you, Mr. No-Self-Awareness.

"I couldn't forgive him or like him, but I saw that what he had done was, to him, entirely justified. It was all very careless and confused. They were careless people, Tom and Daisy – they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together and let other people clean up the mess they had made" -F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby

Oh, also:

Originally Posted by ericsi

You are not very smart

Originally Posted by ericsi

Did you buy and i8?

[fr3nch2]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

BMW has a lot of buyers that are less than impressed with the way that the M2 has been marketed and produced as well.

Are you just trying to stir up the pot a little more here?

BMW is releasing a new vehicle. They haven't been on the market before they're entirely new to the brand. How do you sell something with no previous sales history?? You create hype and excitement. That is exactly what they have done with both the i8 and M2.

It's marketing at it's finest. People will pay a premium to be the first to own said vehicles. Why is BMW at fault for that? They never said either would be limited production, and considering everyone here is on at least ONE forum, it would be a fair assumption to think you would all know that.

How is this any different than ANY new product release?

The fact is everyone is mad they cant have it right NOW. The people that CAN get it now, then get mad they spent more than the guy who was patient and got it when there was more available.

[JasH]

Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

For those looking at electric cars, the question is;

Why buy an i8 when you can get a faster, self-driving Tesla for cheaper?

A Nissan Leaf is also cheaper. Wonder why I didn't buy that instead of the i8...

Let me enlighten you. There is NO point of comparison between the i8 and Tesla. They are completely different cars.

The Tesla is a v fast saloon.

The i8 is a cheaper and slower take on the Porsche 918 hyper car.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by fr3nch2

Are you just trying to stir up the pot a little more here?

BMW is releasing a new vehicle. They haven't been on the market before they're entirely new to the brand. How do you sell something with no previous sales history?? You create hype and excitement. That is exactly what they have done with both the i8 and M2.

It's marketing at it's finest. People will pay a premium to be the first to own said vehicles. Why is BMW at fault for that? They never said either would be limited production, and considering everyone here is on at least ONE forum, it would be a fair assumption to think you would all know that.

How is this any different than ANY new product release?

The fact is everyone is mad they cant have it right NOW. The people that CAN get it now, then get mad they spent more than the guy who was patient and got it when there was more available.

I simply stated a fact... many people ARE confused and frustrated by BMWs marketing.

I understand BMWs marketing methods.. and I am FAR ahead of the game than most people.
I am an original 1M owner... I played the game and won.

if you are asking how was the M2 product release different that most... Well... they could start by actually producing a fair amount..

[stressdoc]

Let's please refrain from escalation. Criticism of ideas/hypotheses is fine. Personal derogation is not the high road.

[ericsi]

Originally Posted by Aye-eight

Just one correction to your statement: To my knowledge, no such BS was circulated by the factory. If it was, I'll be more than happy to have it shown to me. But it wouldn't change my opinion of the car one bit.

Firstly, i should say that i enjoy reading your well balanced and elegantly written posts.

You are probably correct in fact that no bs was circulated by the factory itself. However the dealers pretended that some of their propaganda was imposed to them by the factory. Egg-chiken, chiken-egg..

The pattern was similar with the pure impulse program. When i got my 2nd car, i ordered it with a set of options. When it got delivered (late), i was forced to pay for the pure impulse membership which i did not want. I never used it.

Anyway, i am not bitter, i love the car. The whole process around the car did imho no favour to the brand as a whole.

When it comes to certain characters on this forum, i wonder about the need for gratuitous aggressivity. I won't bother responding.

[pruettfan]

Originally Posted by Taxdr1965

Why do u think this car does not sell that well? Look at the huge incentives and discounts

My guess is it was a chance for folks to get the tax incentives, might see something similar this december.

[Mr.SugarSkulls]

Maybe because my first car was an 88 Honda Odyssey (yes that minivan) I for one love my i8!

Every day still feels like the first.

[BEMR]

Originally Posted by Louv

Here is the latest info for the sales trend for the i8 in the US.
(Sorry, I don't have worldwide numbers)
updated: November 2016 numbers.

My 08 e60 M5 had about 1300 units sold in the US, as a comparison you'd think the i8 would have been more scarce. It was kinda of fun driving a car that you never saw another one of,

[Murph335]

Originally Posted by Taxdr1965

Why do u think this car does not sell that well? Look at the huge incentives and discounts

....Because its a slow gas car for the money.

....Because its a slow electric car for the money.


I8 is confused and there are MUCH better performance super car options for the money in its class.


I think non performance car enthusiasts are very impressed with the different look example in the valet, clubs, casinos, and at the mall.

[jcpca356]

I think you're confused about what the car is about.

Originally Posted by Murph335

....Because its a slow gas car for the money.

....Because its a slow electric car for the money.


I8 is confused and there are MUCH better performance super car options for the money in its class.


I think non performance car enthusiasts are very impressed with the different look example in the valet, clubs, casinos, and at the mall.

[Twitch Massacre]

Originally Posted by BEMR

My 08 e60 M5 had about 1300 units sold in the US, as a comparison you'd think the i8 would have been more scarce. It was kinda of fun driving a car that you never saw another one of,

Way more than 1300 E60 M5s were sold in the US, or do you mean for your particular MY alone?

[Louv]

Updated with December 2016 numbers. (+133 sold for Dec. 2016)

[Louv]

Updated with January 2017 numbers ( +50 )

[stressdoc]

Only +50. 2017 might be a slow year. I hope the updated 2018 is released early. And available via EuroDelivery.

[MalibuBimmer]

[Aye-eight]

Originally Posted by Murph335

....Because its a slow gas car for the money.

....Because its a slow electric car for the money.


I8 is confused and there are MUCH better performance super car options for the money in its class.


I think non performance car enthusiasts are very impressed with the different look example in the valet, clubs, casinos, and at the mall.

If you want fast for money, you buy an old Chevy and drop in a 1000 bhp crate motor. $10k on eBay. I see you don't drive that, either. So, there must be something else to people's choices. I wonder ...

That you haven't understood the car doesn't mean nobody else has, either.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Aye-eight

If you want fast for money, you buy an old Chevy and drop in a 1000 bhp crate motor. $10k on eBay. I see you don't drive that, either. So, there must be something else to people's choices. I wonder ...

That you haven't understood the car doesn't mean nobody else has, either.

lol don't pick on the poor troll. He doesn't realize that the average i8 owner can buy whatever car they want and also has other exotics. But he is on point that when we want to go to clubs and show off at the valet we take the i8, which isn't our most expensive car but it is the coolest looking.