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      04-08-2024, 08:44 AM   #23
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You'd get the same efficiency driving the same way in a 600+ BHP turbo V8 gas truck weighing almost 3 tons. Likely 10-12 mpg. At $4.00/gal, for 200 miles that just cost you $80 or thereabouts. Depending on your local electric company's bill (I recommend DCFC when you're not at home), you paid somewhat less than that in your iX. It would have cost me, for example, about $5 to go the same distance.
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Range on the M60 seems kinda horrible.

Got the car Friday at 2pm at 94% charge
Drove most of the day enjoying it in different modes and yes a few times flooring it. Mostly driving in personal mode.
Saturday when it was at 40% I decided to try my first public charge just to get a hang of it when battery is decent.

Charged to 80%. By this morning car was at 41%

I checked the odometer and I got about 200 miles in 3 days of driving and learning the car.

So 200 miles of actual driving with charge going from 94% to 40% to 80% back to 41% that seems pretty weak for range.
What were the temps while driving? Your screenshot at the start of the thread shows 49F... if I assume that was not the coldest part of the day and that you were several degrees lower than that for most of the driving, the range estimate would land in around 400kms using my over generalized summary posted previously for my 50. Your range using your 200 miles of driving works out to be 200/[(.94-.40)+(.80-.41)] = 215 ish miles which is about 345kms. So you are a bit lower which can likely be explained by over enthusiastic accelerations as you messed around with the car and maybe if you cruise faster than 75mph on the highways.
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Range on the M60 seems kinda horrible.

Got the car Friday at 2pm at 94% charge
Drove most of the day enjoying it in different modes and yes a few times flooring it. Mostly driving in personal mode.
Saturday when it was at 40% I decided to try my first public charge just to get a hang of it when battery is decent.

Charged to 80%. By this morning car was at 41%

I checked the odometer and I got about 200 miles in 3 days of driving and learning the car.

So 200 miles of actual driving with charge going from 94% to 40% to 80% back to 41% that seems pretty weak for range.
The way you drive your car and the range it delivers are not unrelated. You'll get the hang of it. To hit the EPA range it will have to be warmer than 49º outside—more like in the 70s—and you can't drive the way you've been driving. All the same rules apply to an ICE, but somehow in the ICE world folks aren't as obsessed about measuring their range. ICE have advantages in the cold because heat is a natural byproduct of internal combustion processes. Not so in an EV. To heat the cabin and drivetrain in an EV requires battery energy. That's why range in cold temps sucks.
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      04-08-2024, 04:55 PM   #28
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734 km = 456 mi
That's a nice number to show off with, however noone cares what fictitious range number you can get the car to guesstimate based on your recent driving history.

What we care about is highway speed range and you will not get anywhere near 734 km going 120km/h on a flat highway even I'm the most perfect weather.
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      04-08-2024, 05:46 PM   #29
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That's a nice number to show off with, however noone cares what fictitious range number you can get the car to guesstimate based on your recent driving history.

What we care about is highway speed range and you will not get anywhere near 734 km going 120km/h on a flat highway even I'm the most perfect weather.
It’s still fun to see those phantom numbers sometimes!!
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734 km = 456 mi
I love this stuff. My dad has an AWD Ioniq 5, and he routinely gets well north of 300 miles and ~4 miles/kWh in his routine drives. I try to be smooth as glass in my iX, but I rarely top 3 miles/kWh.
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I drive my diesel Gladiator. 500 miles plus in rain, sunshine and snow.
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      04-08-2024, 09:50 PM   #32
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I drive my diesel Gladiator. 500 miles plus in rain, sunshine and snow.
And 0-60 in 22 seconds 😳. A bit of a tortoise and hare comparison. Not arguing with the range however….
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Unless you are trying to get somewhere by a certain time and there are no opportunity to charge on the way, drive the way you prefer. You acquired a luxury performance car. What is the point if you are going to drive it like a Yugo? You want to set the temperature to whatever is most ideal for you. You want to accelerate aggressively and go above the limit, knock yourself out. Enjoy the car. And if you have to charge twice a week instead of once so be it. You have a charger at home, the cost of charging is probably about a quarter of gas, so drive the car ina. way that gives you the most joy.
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      04-09-2024, 08:47 AM   #34
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I drive my diesel Gladiator. 500 miles plus in rain, sunshine and snow.
And it costs you $100 to fill up your gas tank, or 20¢ per mile. Do you know how much it costs to "fill up" my iX? $7.35. If I take my worst range ever at 250 miles in snow/wind/rain, that's still only $14.70 or 3¢ per mile for 500 miles.

Your magnificent diesel rattle cage is 7x more expensive than an iX to refuel and operate. No thanks.

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Unless you are trying to get somewhere by a certain time and there are no opportunity to charge on the way, drive the way you prefer. You acquired a luxury performance car. What is the point if you are going to drive it like a Yugo? You want to set the temperature to whatever is most ideal for you. You want to accelerate aggressively and go above the limit, knock yourself out. Enjoy the car. And if you have to charge twice a week instead of once so be it. You have a charger at home, the cost of charging is probably about a quarter of gas, so drive the car ina. way that gives you the most joy.
That's the great thing about a car like the iX. You get the best of both worlds. You can drive it like a performance car or you can drive it like your grandma. But if you drive it like you stole it, you'll end up replacing those tires very soon and that can get quite expensive. There's no free lunch.
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That's a nice number to show off with, however noone cares what fictitious range number you can get the car to guesstimate based on your recent driving history.

What we care about is highway speed range and you will not get anywhere near 734 km going 120km/h on a flat highway even I'm the most perfect weather.
I did not write anywhere that it is the consumption on the highway at 120 km/h, I use the car 90% of the time in town. Even on the motorway I still get 500 km.
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I have the iX50 and am averaging 2.8mi/kwh in the coldest Midwest US Winters and over 3.2mi/kwh this Spring. haven’t had it though summer yet. We see max range of 360-390 on a regular basis in the guess-o-meter, and the lowest is probably 290.

first, be sure to have your trip computer set to show your efficiency ‘since last charge’. That way, you can better understand your driving behavior. What is your trip computer set to currently?

also, the calculations take time. give the computer at least 1,000 mi of driving in order for it to be reflective of your driving habits. more data = more knowledge.

to max out range:
  • don’t drive more than 5mph over the speed limit, unless passing. I don’t worry if everyone is going 10-20mph over, I’m crusing in the right lane for range.
  • cruse control active 95% of the time
  • turn of rear HVAC if no one is back there
  • set HVAC to auto at 71°F in the ‘balanced’ fan setting with fan speed of ‘low’ with recirculating on auto
  • coast as much as possible; coasting is where you get the most ‘bang for your buck’ with your battery/drivetrain. I coast .5 mi from 60mph (live in a rural area) to stop signs or red lights. Usually have my routes on GPS to learn where .5 mi in order to set a ‘coasting landmark’
  • just forget about B mode unless you like 1 pedal driving; coasting is way more efficient than regen. if you’re a city driver, maybe B is better. city folks can chime in here.
  • set your regen in D to adaptive
  • use eco mode for long boring hauls; although the data that we’re seeing in our BMW app doesn’t point to it really being that much more efficient
  • always precondition your vehicle at least 10-15 minutes before departing when plugged in. that way, the battery pack and cabin preps to your typical comfort levels while drawing from the power source
  • don’t drive it like you stole it if you’re going to complain about the range dropping. if you want the range, you need to be disciplined
  • do a google search of ‘hypermiling’ and see others’ tips on doing just that

Have fun, be patient, and understand that there is a learning curve to all of this. Figure out a way to make the discipline of maxing out range into a game for yourself, and that’s when you start enjoying the EV experience more.
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I took 2 trips to the ski resort areas in the northeast. One trip was about 375 miles away the other about 230. The biggest challenge is scarcity of fast chargers when you need them unless stations. I didn’t drive any different than I would in an ice car. Did that mean proper planning yes but i don’t know that I’d go crazy about adjusting my driving style. If I drove every day maybe it would be an issue but is the goal to extend range to save $ on charging or to go further with less trip interruptions?
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If you go over 70mph for a decent amount of time, it does not matter how you drive. And if there is even a slight headwind then you are lucky to get 2.3mi/kWh. In some cases there is just nothing you can do to help it.
Recently though, I decided to get some nice range number driving in the city. I got 3.8mi/kWh on a 9mi trip with traffic lights on non-EV tires even. I am on Michelin PSAS 4. It was excruciating though. Doing that 0-60mph in 22 sec in iX is just hard. Probably, not healthy too.
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I have two good data points for my recent New England road trip. Detailed here:

April Eclipse Road Trip

Basically, outbound temps in the mid 30s to low 40s, avg of 45.5 kWh / 100 miles

Return trip temps in the low to mid 60s, avg of 35.5 kWh / 100 miles

Stuck to Efficiency mode and set the DA to 70 mph for much of the ride.
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I have two good data points for my recent New England road trip. Detailed here:

April Eclipse Road Trip

Basically, outbound temps in the mid 30s to low 40s, avg of 45.5 kWh / 100 miles

Return trip temps in the low to mid 60s, avg of 35.5 kWh / 100 miles

Stuck to Efficiency mode and set the DA to 70 mph for much of the ride.

That’s 2.2 mi/kWh to 2.8 mi/kWh
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Drove 200 miles to Garden City Ks to visit my kids a few days ago. Very stiff side winds and temp about 75 degrees. Started with 95%, arrived with 23%. Dash said I averaged 2.7 miles per kW. On two lane roads (about 75% of the trip) the cruise was set at 72mph. On four lane roads - 77 mph. Actual average speed was 62mph. Total altitude gain - 1,500 feet.

Will return home tomorrow, expect slightly better results as winds will be lighter and a bit downhill.
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You didn't say what driving mode, but uphill-ish, windy-ish, 70+ mph, that's actually excellent.
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Supposedly, the efficient driving mode only works at low speeds. I have tried it many times and I got nothing at highway speeds. The efficiency indicator only shows something like below 40 mph or so.
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