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      01-14-2019, 01:06 PM   #1299
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That still doesn't answer my question as to the discrepancy in the 0-60 times. Especially since the Z4 M40 will have a lot more power.

It must be a lot heavier.

So reasons to get the Supra, hardtop and cheaper plus most likely handles better without the extra weight.
It can be weight, but it can also be something like slightly different tyres (brand, size) its delivered on.

Or difference in how its measured (full/empty tank etc)
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      01-14-2019, 01:08 PM   #1300
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Loved my Supra til I totaled it.

Had the nicest, softest perforated leather.

Very smooth manual transmission.

Color was called "Super White."
Yeah, and had a button on the console for sport suspension. Was a 5 speed straight 6 with 200 hp I believe.
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      01-14-2019, 01:10 PM   #1301
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BMW are also known to be modest with their 0-60, so I'd like to see some real testing for real numbers before overthinking it.
Yah, I was gonna say this as well, but I didn't want to come off as a fanboy.

But I agree.
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      01-14-2019, 01:12 PM   #1302
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Yeah, and had a button on the console for sport suspension. Was a 5 speed straight 6 with 200 hp I believe.
Yes, and I believe 0 to 60 was a paltry 7 seconds, or thereabouts.

Seemed pretty fast at the time. lol
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      01-14-2019, 01:19 PM   #1303
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Here is the official press release.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/a...the-new-bmw-z4

Z4: 3,443 lb
Supra: 3,397 lb

I think we need an independent head to head comparison in the future.
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      01-14-2019, 01:22 PM   #1304
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      01-14-2019, 01:22 PM   #1305
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Would I be alone in saying this looks far better than the Z4?
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      01-14-2019, 01:23 PM   #1306
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Holy **** first time looking at one in and out and wow does it resemble a bmw in many more ways than i thought. I thought toyota would do there own interior design regardless this thing is gonna sell like crazy
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      01-14-2019, 01:26 PM   #1307
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Odd, the EU Supra comes in at 1495 kg or 3296 lbs.

https://www.supramkv.com/attachments...7bb-png.11158/
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      01-14-2019, 01:28 PM   #1308
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There are lots of ways to weigh a vehicle (tank full/empty, driver included or not, baggage included or not, vehicle # options fitted etc etc)

...still none of that will make it a particularly light vehicle.
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      01-14-2019, 01:33 PM   #1309
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Lol they just raided the BMW interior parts warehouse. BMW light switches, steering wheel, climate control, even iDrive. I guess that quote about the teams not having communicated since 2014 was BS.

This is basically a cheaper Z4 M40i hit with an ugly stick.
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      01-14-2019, 01:44 PM   #1310
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no manual option?!

nope, i'll pass
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      01-14-2019, 01:47 PM   #1311
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^It's coming later.
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Okay, but how many would buy a Supra over an M2 Competition?

If a manual were available in both, I would probably choose the Supra. Without a manual, it's a no-brainer for me. I still want to row my own gears and the M2 Competition has usuable rear seats.
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^It's coming later.
Right after a faster GT86.
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      01-14-2019, 01:58 PM   #1314
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What a shame.




Edit- I really want to love this car. We'll see how it drives.

But I imagine Toyota dealers are going to play games.
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      01-14-2019, 01:58 PM   #1315
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M2 for me.
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      01-14-2019, 02:23 PM   #1316
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So much for that advantage.

Check out: "BMW releases updated 0-60 time for Z4 M40i"- https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/14/...ted-0-60-time/

How are both the Z4 and Zupra 3,400 pounds?!
That article fails to realize why there was the initial 4.4sec 0-60 for the Z4.

The different M40i 0-60 times(4.4 vs 3.9) is due to the two versions. Euro Z4 has 335hp 4.4sec, US version has 382hp 3.9sec. Euro version is detuned due to regulations and the gas particulate filters.
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      01-14-2019, 02:26 PM   #1317
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Right after a faster GT86.
Believe what you want to believe.

But some of us actually have a track record.
https://www.supramkv.com/threads/the...a-models.1500/
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      01-14-2019, 02:28 PM   #1318
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Lol they just raided the BMW interior parts warehouse. BMW light switches, steering wheel, climate control, even iDrive. I guess that quote about the teams not having communicated since 2014 was BS.

This is basically a cheaper Z4 M40i hit with an ugly stick.
It's more like Bmw raided Toyota for some badges and a body kit lol. Hard pass for me as there are better cars at that price range
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Right after a faster GT86.
Believe what you want to believe.

But some of us actually have a track record.
https://www.supramkv.com/threads/the...a-models.1500/
I'm not doubting your years of cheerleading this car. I'm doubting Toyota actually doing anything other than selling this exact car until they don't anymore.

Promises of a convertible GT86 and a faster GT86 started before the car was even on sale. Have you seen either of those (in production)?

$1 says the US will never get a manual Zupra.
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"estimated" time of 4.1 to 60.
335 hp is nothing really special in this day and age and only 20hp more then the Supra king of the 90's. The is 4.1 to 60 estimate isn't special either.

Disturbing that it leaves a good chunk of hp on the table compared to the Z4 with the same I6 underhood. The 4 cyl version coming in about 3100lb so the I6 will no doubt weigh more with heavier engine and likely have heavier brakes and driveline so it's no bantam weight. I'll wait and see what the test results are and see how it does on the track but I'm not impressed from what I've read so far.
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