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      01-18-2019, 08:06 AM   #4797
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Whats he supposed to do offer the old bag a lifetime supply of prunes?
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Whats he supposed to do offer the old bag a lifetime supply of prunes?
Goes both ways...

Whats she supposed to do offer the old bag a lifetime supply of prunes?
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      01-18-2019, 08:16 AM   #4799
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No, money for the wall.
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      01-18-2019, 08:37 AM   #4800
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No, money for the wall.
Trumps focus on the wall is his downfall. If he had just talked about border security as a whole with the wall being a small part of the overall solution, this thing would have been passed ages ago.
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So Pelosi needs it worded correctly so she doesnt feel like it's a failure on her part. It is border security. She can look at it however she wants. Or put her head in the sand and blame someone else.
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Trumps focus on the wall is his downfall. If he had just talked about border security as a whole with the wall being a small part of the overall solution, this thing would have been passed ages ago.
You and I rarely agree, but you hit the nail on the head with this one. If he would have spent more time talking about the need for better immigration control and better border security overall, and included that a wall was an important part of that package, then he wouldn't be in this pickle. Instead, he just said "wall, wall, wall" over and over again during the campaign and now feels he has to get it done.
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      01-18-2019, 09:06 AM   #4803
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[Trump] said "wall, wall, wall" over and over again during the campaign and now feels he has to get it done.
President Trump should feel he has to get it done... Because he does have to get it done. The wall was a cornerstone of his campaign. The Democrats know this; that's exactly the reason they're ready to do anything to prevent the wall from happening.
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Calling for border security wouldn't have been as effective with his base as calling for a wall. A wall has a different message connotation then boarder security. It's much more symbolic.
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If this is about pleasing his voters than why can't both sides come up with very vague wording but call it the wall/border security bill? There are such easy solutions to this crap, but both sides care more about themselves than the people they are supposed to help.
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If this is about pleasing his voters than why can't both sides come up with very vague wording but call it the wall/border security bill? There are such easy solutions to this crap, but both sides care more about themselves than the people they are supposed to help.
They already did, on December 19. Trump reportedly backed the plan. Then on December 20 he flip-flopped away from that plan and went full walltard. And here we are.

Despite the fact that it is indisputably a Trump-induced mess, at the end of the day it will come down to who spins it best in the media. Right now that's a tough read for me.
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They already did, on December 19. Trump reportedly backed the plan. Then on December 20 he flip-flopped away from that plan and went full walltard. And here we are.

Despite the fact that it is indisputably a Trump-induced mess, at the end of the day it will come down to who spins it best in the media. Right now that's a tough read for me.
From what I understand that was $1.6B for border security, and the democrats refused to mention anything about a wall in the bill. Again they were worried about their pride instead of getting a deal done. All they had to do was mention something vaguely that this could be allotted to a wall in some way or form.
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From what I understand that was $1.6B for border security, and the democrats refused to mention anything about a wall in the bill. Again they were worried about their pride instead of getting a deal done. All they had to do was mention something vaguely that this could be allotted to a wall in some way or form.
You keep saying Democrats. On December 19 both houses of congress were controlled by Republicans. They all agreed to this. Trump is the one who reneged.
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You keep saying Democrats. On December 19 both houses of congress were controlled by Republicans. They all agreed to this. Trump is the one who reneged.
I don't agree that he reneged, unless I am missing something. He always said any bill would have to have funds for a border wall. That wasn't in the bill.
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Mitch McConnell didn't quite come out and say it, you're right. But John Cornyn did, after a meeting with Pence that morning. When Trump backed away from the December 19 deal, McConnell did say that he would not put anything else forward that did not have Trump's backing ahead of time. I.e. he tacitly or verbally had Trump's approval, then lost it, and wasn't going to get pulled into the Trump mind-change vortex a second time.
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Trumps focus on the wall is his downfall. If he had just talked about border security as a whole with the wall being a small part of the overall solution, this thing would have been passed ages ago.
Mabe but a wall can not be built for 1.7 billion. That's the problem.

This will go on another week and then the Military will build it.
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It will be his downfall if he doesn't get it built. If he does get it done you will never hear the end of it during his re-election campaign 'Have you all seen the big beautiful wall I built for you? Sure you have. You love my wall'
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Special Council just blew a huge gaping hole in the Buzzfeed "News" article that had POTUS practically impeached a couple hours ago.

MASSIVE hit for President Trump. Massive miss for journalistic standards and credibility.
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Special Council just blew a huge gaping hole in the Buzzfeed "News" article that had POTUS practically impeached a couple hours ago.

MASSIVE hit for President Trump. Massive miss for journalistic standards and credibility.
So now the special counsel is believable?
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Massive miss for journalistic standards and credibility.
It was Buzzfeed, not Reuters

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A miss......for all of us. With somebody like her versus trump for the 2020 election, we're all screwed.

Democrat Kamala Harris announces presidential run http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46947839
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Special Council just blew a huge gaping hole in the Buzzfeed "News" article that had POTUS practically impeached a couple hours ago.

MASSIVE hit for President Trump. Massive miss for journalistic standards and credibility.
You mean Mueller's detail-lacking response that the Buzzfeed article was inaccurate and only after Trump's legal called to complain?
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It was Buzzfeed, not Reuters

Calm your tits
Ironic that trump supporters are all of a sudden ALL ABOUT journalistic standards.......
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