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      07-02-2018, 04:01 AM   #1
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Nord Stream 2

As you know, Russia, together with Europe, is starting the construction of an offshore natural gas pipeline from Russian Federation to Germany - Nord Stream 2.
This is the second phase of gas pipeline, project which would include two additional lines to increase the overall annual capacity up to 110 billion cubic metres.


The US wants to block this construction and say they will impose sanctions on companies participating in the project, but German side says this will not affect the building of a gas pipeline.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JP1CX
It would seem - where is Europe and where is the US and what does the US have to the gas pipeline to Europe?
Do you think the United States has a grateful goal? They want to explain to stupid Europe that she does not need this gas pipeline, or they have some other purpose?

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Let's see... This might come as a surprise to you, but you've fucked with finland, Estonia, Lithuania latvia, France, Germany, now we're just figuring out what you did with brexit, Italy and a few others.

I have trouble figuring out why we are being resistent on your energy take over project. I think we are just playing hard to get.
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"Germany has been assured by the United States that any sanctions imposed on Russia will not affect the building of a gas pipeline to bring Russian gas to Europe, a spokeswoman for the German economy ministry said on Friday."

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Gazprom makes the next biggest energy company look like a prepubescent kid brother and well a company that powerful is kinda beyond simple politics.
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So Ivan, you're saying "what's wrong with Europe being dependent on gas delivered by Putin"s Russia"? Certainly Putin would NEVER use leverage against other countries? Ever. I mean, look at how well things have worked out for Georgia, and especially Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...endship_Treaty
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The pipeline is not really needed for distribution anyhow imho, Russian LNG can be distributed by tanker in similar ways.

It is used to influence politics, what a surprise.
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So Ivan, you're saying "what's wrong with Europe being dependent on gas delivered by Putin"s Russia"? Certainly Putin would NEVER use leverage against other countries? Ever. I mean, look at how well things have worked out for Georgia, and especially Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...endship_Treaty
My dear friend, I am very aware of your russophobia, but now I have a question absolutely not about Georgia and not about Ukraine, and not even about Australia, India and not about a lot of other wonderful countries.

I have a very simple question about what the US has to do with the gas pipeline between Russia and Germany, what is the role of the US in this matter?
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My dear friend, I am very aware of your russophobia, but now I have a question absolutely not about Georgia and not about Ukraine, and not even about Australia, India and not about a lot of other wonderful countries.

I have a very simple question about what the US has to do with the gas pipeline between Russia and Germany, what is the role of the US in this matter?
Id say the USA has first hand experience with how Russia tries to influence everything it can....


also, the US has confirmed that the sanctions wont actually affect the pipeline, as evident by the first sentence in your article.

Do they only teach hacking and not reading in Russia?
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My dear friend, I am very aware of your russophobia, but now I have a question absolutely not about Georgia and not about Ukraine, and not even about Australia, India and not about a lot of other wonderful countries.

I have a very simple question about what the US has to do with the gas pipeline between Russia and Germany, what is the role of the US in this matter?
Do you play chess? If you do, you know that you have to look more than 1 or 2 moves into the future.

I am not a russophobe. Maybe a putinphobe.
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Id say the USA has first hand experience with how Russia tries to influence everything it can....


also, the US has confirmed that the sanctions wont actually affect the pipeline, as evident by the first sentence in your article.

Do they only teach hacking and not reading in Russia?
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Do you play chess? If you do, you know that you have to look more than 1 or 2 moves into the future.

I am not a russophobe. Maybe a putinphobe.
Looking to the future is certainly right, but you will agree - what kind of noise would rise in the world and in the media, if for example Russia would express its opinion on the gas pipeline, for example, from the USA to Canada?
After that, absolutely everyone will say that Russia is interfering in the affairs of the United States.
Do not you think that this is the correct analogy?
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Looking to the future is certainly right, but you will agree - what kind of noise would rise in the world and in the media, if for example Russia would express its opinion on the gas pipeline, for example, from the USA to Canada?
After that, absolutely everyone will say that Russia is interfering in the affairs of the United States.
Do not you think that this is the correct analogy?
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Looking to the future is certainly right, but you will agree - what kind of noise would rise in the world and in the media, if for example Russia would express its opinion on the gas pipeline, for example, from the USA to Canada?
After that, absolutely everyone will say that Russia is interfering in the affairs of the United States.
Do not you think that this is the correct analogy?
How about this: we Europeans are not exactly jumping for joy to deal with your shit these days, and it's a commonly held opinion among us that if you don't cut your shit out, keep your gas.
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How about this: we Europeans are not exactly jumping for joy to deal with your shit these days, and it's a commonly held opinion among us that if you don't cut your shit out, keep your gas.
Sorry for my little English, so from your comments except "fucked with Estonians", "your shit, our shit" and something "we Europeans jumping there" - I did not understand anything. Could you expand your mind and speak more clearly?
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Sorry for my little English, so from your comments except "fucked with Estonians", "your shit, our shit" and something "we Europeans jumping there" - I did not understand anything. Could you expand your mind and speak more clearly?
I am a hippie indeed, but not enough to expand my mind either with drugs or with the more legal ways.

Seriously, I don't think I was unclear: don't fuck with our politics and drive refugees to our borders, then paint them as monsters and then we'll talk about energy. M'kay?
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I am a hippie indeed, but not enough to expand my mind either with drugs or with the more legal ways.

Seriously, I don't think I was unclear: don't fuck with our politics and drive refugees to our borders, then paint them as monsters and then we'll talk about energy. M'kay?
I like the directness!
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don't fuck with our politics and drive refugees to our borders, then paint them as monsters and then we'll talk about energy
Putin drives refugees to Finland? Well, ok, Putin in fact controls this whole world, well, let him drive refugees.
Of course, the opinion of Finland on the gas pipeline was one of the most valuable to me. )
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I like the directness!
The refugees really fuck with my poetics soul. First they prop up Assad, then they drive the refugees through borders to Europe, while feeding horrible propaganda about them.

The EU should not give Russia any more leverage.
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Putin drives refugees to Finland? Well, ok, Putin in fact controls this whole world, well, let him drive refugees.
Of course, the opinion of Finland on the gas pipeline was one of the most valuable to me. )
Well, I'm a voter in the horrible EU and you're building it inside our territory, our, as in Finland. before you guys get your shit together, for all I care you can rot in Siberia.

Good chat, let's do this again.
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It would seem - where is Europe and where is the US and what does the US have to the gas pipeline to Europe?
Lol as if politics works even close to that way in the 21st century. Nobody with half a brain believes that, so I conclude you're being purposely disingenuous.
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I am a hippie indeed, but not enough to expand my mind either with drugs or with the more legal ways.

Seriously, I don't think I was unclear: don't fuck with our politics and drive refugees to our borders, then paint them as monsters and then we'll talk about energy. M'kay?
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as in Finland. before you guys get your shit together
Forgive, maybe you are not yet aware, but from Finland, as you put it "your shit" you already got.

https://www.nord-stream2.com/ru/pdf/document/156/

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https://www.nord-stream2.com/ru/pdf/document/157/
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