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      01-08-2019, 02:47 PM   #1
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The Trump Speech thread 1-8-19

Your thoughts on his speech, and on the democratic rebuttal.
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Here's a full list of the 31 active national emergencies under the National Emergencies Act, dating back to the Carter administration:

1. Blocking Iranian Government Property (Nov. 14, 1979)

2. Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction (Nov. 14, 1994)

3. Prohibiting Transactions with Terrorists Who Threaten to Disrupt the Middle East Peace Process (January 23, 1995)

4. Prohibiting Certain Transactions with Respect to the Development of Iranian Petroleum Resources (March 15, 1995)

5. Blocking Assets and Prohibiting Transactions with Significant Narcotics Traffickers (October 21, 1995)

6. Regulations of the Anchorage and Movement of Vessels with Respect to Cuba (March 1, 1996)

7. Blocking Sudanese Government Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Sudan (November 3, 1997)

8. Blocking Property of Persons Who Threaten International Stabilization Efforts in the Western Balkans (June 26, 2001)

9. Continuation of Export Control Regulations (August 17, 2001)

10. Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks (September 14, 2001)

11. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Persons who Commit, Threaten to Commit, or Support Terrorism (September 23, 2001)

12. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Zimbabwe (March 6, 2003)

13. Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq has an Interest (May 22, 2003)

14. Blocking Property of Certain Persons and Prohibiting the Export of Certain Goods to Syria (May 11, 2004)

15. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Belarus (June 16, 2006)

16. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (October 27, 2006)

17. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining the Sovereignty of Lebanon or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions (August 1, 2007)

18. Continuing Certain Restrictions with Respect to North Korea and North Korean Nationals (June 26, 2008)

19. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (April 12, 2010)

20. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (February 25, 2011)

21. Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (July 25, 2011)

22. Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (May 16, 2012)

23. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (March 6, 2014)

24. Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (April 3, 2014)

25. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic (May 12, 2014)

26. Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (March 9, 2015)

27. Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (April 1, 2015)

28. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (November 23, 2015)

29. Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption (December 20, 2017)

30. Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election (September 12, 2018)

31. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Nicaragua (November 27, 2018)
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I loved it. Quick and to the point.
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He's not good on the TelePrompTer
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Pelosi looks like the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz. Shumer is the only one that can effectively read off a Teleprompter between the three.
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Well that was a giant waste of time
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I loved it. Quick and to the point.
Agreed. We don't build the wall because we hate those on the outside but because we love those on the inside. Mic drop.
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I really hope this is one big conspiracy and it is all staged. I thought idiocracy was the worst movie ever made, but I am starting to think it might be genius, we really might get there at this rate.
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You're scared we might enforce laws we already have? Sponsor an illegal sir if its what's right. Would you vet them first or just let any old psycho move in?
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You're scared we might enforce laws we already have? Sponsor an illegal sir if its what's right. Would you vet them first or just let any old psycho move in?
I am not talking about the actual policy, just the way both sides are acting.
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I felt he made some good points.
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I am not talking about the actual policy, just the way both sides are acting.
Agreed but pretty had to see being on the side of we hate America, let em in, they are more important than our citizens.
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You're scared we might enforce laws we already have? Sponsor an illegal sir if its what's right. Would you vet them first or just let any old psycho move in?
I am not talking about the actual policy, just the way both sides are acting.
One side wants border security and one side does not. I see one side acting like idiots.
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You're scared we might enforce laws we already have? Sponsor an illegal sir if its what's right. Would you vet them first or just let any old psycho move in?
I am not talking about the actual policy, just the way both sides are acting.
One side wants border security and one side does not. I see one side acting like idiots.
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I am not talking about the actual policy, just the way both sides are acting.
One side wants border security and one side does not. I see one side acting like idiots.
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Then why don't they fund the wall they voted to fund years ago?
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Then why don't they fund the wall they voted to fund years ago?
Because that wasn't a wall that was funded years ago?

Are we reinventing history now?

Congress passed a bipartisan bill less than a month ago and Trump refused to sign it. BIPARTISAN
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wait..who is paying for the wall now??!?

I feel bad for these government employees getting dragged into this and not getting paid.
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Then why don't they fund the wall they voted to fund years ago?
Because that wasn't a wall that was funded years ago?

Are we reinventing history now?

Congress passed a bipartisan bill less than a month ago and Trump refused to sign it. BIPARTISAN
Was border security in the recent legislation or was it removed?

Using Semantics against logic does not work. They wanted a "barrier" before and now it is Trumps wall, they changed their mind.

Nuts!
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Then why don't they fund the wall they voted to fund years ago?
Because that wasn't a wall that was funded years ago?

Are we reinventing history now?

Congress passed a bipartisan bill less than a month ago and Trump refused to sign it. BIPARTISAN
Was border security in the recent legislation or was it removed?

Using Semantics against logic does not work. They wanted a "barrier" before and now it is Trumps wall, they changed their mind.

Nuts!
It was in the bill passed last year through bipartisan legislation. That included funding for new technology and to improve existing fencing.

The bill that went to Trump was a temporary spending bill to keep the rest of the government open.

He tried the ol' pork barrel politics trick to get funding for his wall added even though this bill had nothing to do with it. Another bipartisan bill.

I'm more than happy to throw Congress under the bus when needed, but neither of those instances warranted it.
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Then why don't they fund the wall they voted to fund years ago?
Because that wasn't a wall that was funded years ago?

Are we reinventing history now?

Congress passed a bipartisan bill less than a month ago and Trump refused to sign it. BIPARTISAN
Was border security in the recent legislation or was it removed?

Using Semantics against logic does not work. They wanted a "barrier" before and now it is Trumps wall, they changed their mind.

Nuts!
It was in the bill passed last year through bipartisan legislation. That included funding for new technology and to improve existing fencing.

The bill that went to Trump was a temporary spending bill to keep the rest of the government open.

He tried the ol' pork barrel politics trick to get funding for his wall added even though this bill had nothing to do with it. Another bipartisan bill.

I'm more than happy to throw Congress under the bus when needed, but neither of those instances warranted it.
What about the other part? Why did the dems change their mind?
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Then why don't they fund the wall they voted to fund years ago?
Because that wasn't a wall that was funded years ago?

Are we reinventing history now?

Congress passed a bipartisan bill less than a month ago and Trump refused to sign it. BIPARTISAN
Was border security in the recent legislation or was it removed?

Using Semantics against logic does not work. They wanted a "barrier" before and now it is Trumps wall, they changed their mind.

Nuts!
It was in the bill passed last year through bipartisan legislation. That included funding for new technology and to improve existing fencing.

The bill that went to Trump was a temporary spending bill to keep the rest of the government open.

He tried the ol' pork barrel politics trick to get funding for his wall added even though this bill had nothing to do with it. Another bipartisan bill.

I'm more than happy to throw Congress under the bus when needed, but neither of those instances warranted it.
What about the other part? Why did the dems change their mind?
I suggest you do some reading. It's not as black or white as you are making it out to be.

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/de...t-border-wall/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...der-wall-2006/
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Then why don't they fund the wall they voted to fund years ago?
Because that wasn't a wall that was funded years ago?

Are we reinventing history now?

Congress passed a bipartisan bill less than a month ago and Trump refused to sign it. BIPARTISAN
Was border security in the recent legislation or was it removed?

Using Semantics against logic does not work. They wanted a "barrier" before and now it is Trumps wall, they changed their mind.

Nuts!
It was in the bill passed last year through bipartisan legislation. That included funding for new technology and to improve existing fencing.

The bill that went to Trump was a temporary spending bill to keep the rest of the government open.

He tried the ol' pork barrel politics trick to get funding for his wall added even though this bill had nothing to do with it. Another bipartisan bill.

I'm more than happy to throw Congress under the bus when needed, but neither of those instances warranted it.
What about the other part? Why did the dems change their mind?
I suggest you do some reading. It's not as black or white as you are making it out to be.

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/de...t-border-wall/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...der-wall-2006/
I don't understand. I heard them say on TV that they wanted better border security, including a barrier. Does fact check deny that?

Regardless, Chuck and Nancy did not score any points tonight.
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