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      01-09-2019, 01:13 PM   #89
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1. Which is it?
2. You are not neutral. You are using Trump sound bites.
3. Excuse my phrase "you should be too" from a previous post as you are not an American.
1. I said it is not a fallacy or B.S. nor is it truth. It is yet to be more thoroughly investigated.

2. If you had read the prosecution you would have known that is accurate. Flynn, Gates or Manafort were prosecuted by previous incidents non related to the campaign. Suggest you read it. This isn't Trump soundbites, in fact I have no clue as to whether Trump says on the matter.

Cohen was prosecuted by other frauds, and frauds related to past dealings with Trump, not Trump's campaign. Nevertheless Trump had some shady deals there and Cohen even more so
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1. I said it is not a fallacy or B.S. nor is it truth. It is yet to be more thoroughly investigated.

2. If you had read the prosecution you would have known that is accurate. Flynn, Gates or Manafort were prosecuted by previous incidents non related to the campaign. Suggest you read it. This isn't Trump soundbites, in fact I have no clue as to whether Trump says on the matter.

Cohen was prosecuted by other frauds, and frauds related to past dealings with Trump, not Trump's campaign. Nevertheless Trump had some shady deals there and Cohen even more so
2. I have read about it. Feel free to brush up on the facts in the "Mueller Investigation" thread. Oh, and here's the latest nugget.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/polit...ler/index.html
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The illegal voting is not a fallacy nor is B.S.. Noone knows for sure, and I don't know enough to opiniate on it, given I am not in USA. I have not seen the intelligence reports or any reports on the matter to be sure.
1.) Trump's own appointed committee concluded there was no wide spread fraud as Trump made many assertions about. Thats a pretty good indiction the world isnt flat.

2.) Saying "no one knows for sure" doesn't give meat to the argument that there WAS vast amounts of voter fraud.

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What I do know is of the economical policies and the tax policies as does do concern me and affect my practice.
Congratulations that you are one of the very few people in the world not effected by trumps various international policies. I personally can not say the same thing.

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Aside from the crumbling deficit due to the tax cut coupled to the previous expenditure from Obama/Bush/Clinton administrations whom have amassed tons of debt (especially Obama), I see all of Trump's policies positively, including the Trade War with China, the NAFTA, TPP and other renegotiations. Some nations may have been literally "screwed" but it was benefitial for America and many other countries, as there was a significant portion of proctetionist barriers coupled in those treaties related to those inside of it (just like the EU zone. I have exported to the EU zone, and I find it the worse place ever. Even my crappy country, is better to deal with in terms of imports).

America's markets will have an awful 2019, but that is to be expected as by APT or CAPM, the reasons are plenty obvious, especially given the 10 or so years of growth and the increase in FED rates. Don't see that as Trump's fault, although his tax cut, has not exactly made things easier here.
Those are all interesting opinions. What I find strange is that you seem to be fine posting yoru opinion as a non american, but have an issue with other non americans posting theirs?

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I believe we as citizens from other places have to respect the opinion of Americans who elected Trump.
I couldn't disagree more with that statement. In case you haven't noticed no world leader is safe around here.

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His policies may affect others, but we get no say on the matter, as frankly we did not make the choice, and Trump gives 2 shits about us.
Actually we do get a say, and I do it every day. Ill agree that he doesn't give two shits about us, but I feel that actually make us more in common with americans - or at least 2/3 of them.

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He is doing at he genuinely feels is best for America, and so far he has achieved a great deal of success for Americans.
Wrong. I believe he is doing what is best for himself. The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.



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Besides there will always be winners and losers in any form of policy. You may have been screwed from his policies.
I just more think he is a shitty human being. I personally have no respect for people continually lie and who treat their own family like shit.

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I have read all the reports on the Russian Dossier, in fact I read pretty much every document released. I do genuinely believe Trump Jr's head will roll, as he is a massive moron, and so will Kuschner's and Manafort's


You have probably also seen that the "total fake democratic dossier (actually started by republicans" is not so fake with many things now being proven to be true. Time will tell about the rest, but we know for sure its not all BS>

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that is my take
Great. My take is that when Trump isn't drinking copious amount of urine from his own dink his mouth is full of Putin's.
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2. I have read about it. Feel free to brush up on the facts in the "Mueller Investigation" thread. Oh, and here's the latest nugget.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/polit...ler/index.html
Had not seen that article. This does correlate to the campaign, but I am not sure it can be classified as collusion, as of now. Let's see what the future holds. Is there the prosecution info, and document with all the info? This seemed like the first reasonable CNN article I read in years, facts and no B.S.
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You see things more clearly from Brazil than the Trump deranged do from here.
I wish some on here would give up their citizenship and give it to the guy from Brazil. Sounds like he can think!!!
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Great. My take is that when Trump isn't drinking copious amount of urine from his own dink his mouth is full of Putin's.
Do you eat with that same mouth?
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You have probably also seen that the "total fake democratic dossier (actually started by republicans" is not so fake with many things now being proven to be true. Time will tell about the rest, but we know for sure its not all BS>
The democratic dossier doesn't not seem credible at all. Nevertheless the campaign had ties to Russia, and had many unsavory points. I do believe some form of collusion may have happened. Don't believe Trump will be indicted though, as it is hard to prove he is "directly" related to it. Don Jr though was a moron and left traces, and will probably end up in jail. Kushner is balls deep in illegal Russian dealings and I believe he is screwed too. Flynn and Manafort also had connections, and kept links to Russian authorities, so I believe they are equally f....

Trump as president will probably survive the whole ordeal, although his business will very likely be hurt from it. That does not exempt him, although I am willing to see more evidence show up before proving him guilt. So far it has been proven his campaign was full of corrupt, pieces of shit, and that is not good at all.

Clinton's campaign was also plagued with some issues, but she was not elected, so I concur the focus has to be on Trump's campaign. And I believe the same can be said about Clinton here, hard to prove "direct relation", but also lots of shady details there.
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I wish some on here would give up their citizenship and give it to the guy from Brazil. Sounds like he can think!!!
Agree! How about Sass?

Oh, wait, he’s a foreigner too...nevermind.
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The democratic dossier doesn't not seem credible at all.
You do know that it is a fact the dossier was started by republicans, right? It was continued but clinton, but started originally by republicans.

Also so say "does not seem to be credible at all" is factually innacurate, and that is only what the public knows. Time will tell about the rest.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/07/polit...ter/index.html


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Trump as president will probably survive the whole ordeal,
It probably will survive this term, but IMO will go down down in history as the worst ever. You many not realize this, but Nixon had staunch supporters as well.

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Clinton's campaign was also plagued with some issues, but she was not elected, so I concur the focus has to be on Trump's campaign. And I belive the same can be said about Clinton here, hard to prove "direct relation", but also lots of shady details there.
Clinton was total trash, and if she won Id be in here pointing out the truth about her as I am about Trump. Not sure why you brought her up she is about as relevant today as Max Headroom.
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Agree! How about Sass?

Oh, wait, heís a foreigner too...nevermind.
still waiting...
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So all in all to summarize.

Was there collusion?

This is interesting. Depends on how you treat the issue?
Was there shady talks and meetings with officials from other countries?
There was (with officials not only from Russia but other nations)

Was there any economical gain for Trump in his contact with foreign entities and did he use his influence?
Tough to tell, has not been proved it.

Has Russia affected the election and changed the outcome?
Highly unlikely.

If you see it like that, there was no collusion. Nevertheless the campaign infringed rules by these direct talks with Russian officials. Only the future will tell
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still waiting...
Good for you. Keep waiting.
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Do you eat with that same mouth?
its cleaner then if I had put it on a porn star, insulted veterans, lied to my family, and insulted people with disabilities or bragged about sexually assaulting woman.
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its cleaner then if I had put it on a porn star, insulted veterans, lied to my family, and insulted people with disabilities or bragged about sexually assaulting woman.
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So all in all to summarize.

Was there collusion?

This is interesting. Depends on how you treat the issue?
Was there shady talks and meetings with officials from other countries?
There was (with officials not only from Russia but other nations)

Was there any economical gain for Trump in his contact with foreign entities and did he use his influence?
Tough to tell, has not been proved it.

Has Russia affected the election and changed the outcome?
Highly unlikely.

If you see it like that, there was no collusion. Nevertheless the campaign infringed rules by these direct talks with Russian officials. Only the future will tell
All good questions and we willl have to wait and see. What we do know for sure is that as time has gone on since the beggining of "no russia involvement what so ever" etc. we have seen multiple examples of that not to be true.

His campaign manager was just shown to have been sharing election data with the russians.

We have to wait for the investigation to finish, but from what we've seen so far we know its not a "which hunt".
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Good for you. Keep waiting.
Disappointing way to end a debate, but alas I guess i knew the outcome from the start.
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The democratic dossier
Ok, I don't know who's chain you're trying to yank here. You've said you "read all about this", yet don't know that the dossier was originally funded by the republicans, in the 2016 primary. You obviously don't know too much.

In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide political opposition research against Trump
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Disappointing way to end a debate, but alas I guess i knew the outcome from the start.
What were you waiting for? I wasnít aware we were debating.
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I donít know about that, but our MSM and academia are the border collies for the leftist loonies, keeping them nicely herded along the socialist path.
Look at all the 'trigger' words in this one sentence.
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What were you waiting for? I wasnít aware we were debating.

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They did if you weed out the illegal votes.

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Itís common knowledge...
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"Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud"

What investigation can you site that proved otherwise when Trumps own proves your statement is wrong?
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The democratic dossier
Ok, I don't know who's chain you're trying to yank here. You've said you "read all about this", yet don't know that the dossier was originally funded by the republicans, in the 2016 primary. You obviously don't know too much.

In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide political opposition research against Trump
Hiring a firm to perform opposition research doesn't make you the owner of products that entity creates forever forward... Especially the products later paid for and delivered to the opposing party.

To put it another way.. Republicans funding opposition research doesn't mean they funded the dossier.
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Read all of it, quit cherrypicking
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