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      01-09-2019, 02:59 PM   #1
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The Wall thread

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Chuck Schumer describes a meeting he just had with President Trump: "Unfortunately, the president just got up and walked out. He asked Speaker Pelosi, 'Will you agree to my wall?' She said no. And he just got up and said, 'Then we have nothing to discuss,' and he just walked out"
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Things would go better for Trump if he would pause sometimes and ask himself:
"What would Reagan do?"

I recall that Reagan was really good at getting certain democrats to go along and vote for his proposals.

I guess Reagan was a far superior deal maker.......
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Here is the latest:

Chuck Schumer describes a meeting he just had with President Trump: "Unfortunately, the president just got up and walked out. He asked Speaker Pelosi, 'Will you agree to my wall?' She said no. And he just got up and said, 'Then we have nothing to discuss,' and he just walked out"
This cracks me up, and I feel it was pretty balsy and badass. Would have enjoyed seeing that.

Trump: "Are you going to give me the one thing I want? Because if so, then we can talk about what you want in return."

Schumer: "Nope, we will never give you funding for your wall, but let me tell you about all the things we want from you."

Trump: "You want me to give you stuff without you giving me what I want?"

(sound of door closing behind him.......)






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Things would go better for Trump if he would pause sometimes and ask himself:
"What would Reagan do?"

I recall that Reagan was really good at getting certain democrats to go along and vote for his proposals.

I guess Reagan was a far superior deal maker.......

I imagine that he was, no argument there. One should note, however, that he wasn't dealing with the ass-hats that are leading the Democrat party in Congress these days, though. I doubt Reagan would have had much use for Pelosi or Schumer, either, to be honest.
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Only one Reagan.

Now, they are dealing with a businessman.
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Ha ha ha - oh at least he gives me a laugh. But assuming he is back in 2020, I suspect this type of behaviour will come back to bite him, and he's going to have a very short term memory about him pulling these types of stunts and will complain that it isn't fair.

Right now, I suspect people don't really know how to handle him, and so he has the upper hand. That will only be for a limited time though.

While I disagree with the wall as contemplated, I do enjoy seeing him make the other politicians squirm.
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Things would go better for Trump if he would pause sometimes and ask himself:
"What would Reagan do?"

I recall that Reagan was really good at getting certain democrats to go along and vote for his proposals.

I guess Reagan was a far superior deal maker.......



I remember Regan agreed to make all the illegals citizens as the Dems wanted, and after that, the Dems would give him all he wanted.

Then, after they made all the illegals citizens, they said they changed their minds and walked away. Regan lost ... and he said he was very upset.

The Dems just hate Trump more than life itself.
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I remember Regan agreed to make all the illegals citizens as the Dems wanted, and after that, the Dems would give him all he wanted.

Then, after they made all the illegals citizens, they said they changed their minds and walked away. Regan lost ... and he said he was very upset.
Links?

The citizenship thing happened under George H, I thought.
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Have no link, I listen to this happen while it was happening.

Our great elected officials have upset me for decades. I've been around since Truman.
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Have no link, I listen to this happen while it was happening.

Our great elected officials have upset me for decades. I've been around since Truman.
You sir, win the internet award for the day.

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Have no link, I listen to this happen while it was happening.

Our great elected officials have upset me for decades. I've been around since Truman.
I believe I was more right than you were. Though you were correct that there was legislation passed under Reagan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ol_Act_of_1986

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...m-1990-1014141
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You sir, win the internet award for the day.

You don't need no stinking badge
Not necessarily true. If my stepfather were alive today (He was around for Truman), he would need a badge......or at least someone with a badge to report about the massive punch I just gave him. No judgment on oldbiker, but age does not translate into good and/or just.
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Just an FYI, I imagine you also have access to google on your computer. You know, just so I don't have to keep doing work for you..

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...he/1089297001/

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/reagan-am...gration-action
see frame 10.
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We have now pitted the Left and the Right (since there is no middle anymore) into this single issue... Who wants a Wall and who doesn't? Who cares about government employees and who doesn't? This is just retarded.
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In 2016, there were 10.7 million undocumented immigrants living in the U.S., or less than 3.5 percent of the nation's population. This represents a significant decrease (13%) from the 12.2 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. in 2007, and is the lowest total since 2004.
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Schumer: "Nope, we will never give you funding for your wall, but let me tell you about all the things we want from you."
What were all the things? I didn't listen or read a transcript.
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I'll copy and paste something I wrote in a different thread. I'm genuinely curious to know other's thoughts on it. It's wall related for sure so here it is if anyone's willing:

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Page 3 of the doc indicates DHS requesting 1.6 Billion for the border. I see at the beginning of this document that this is their budget request and not what they were given. I'm interested in any other #'s people here know of, but this seems to be... I'd say "accurate".

If this is the case, the answer seems simple. No 5 billion for any wall. If DHS is requesting 1.6, and for specific things, then let's give it to them. Then shut up and move on.
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The law granted amnesty to nearly 3 million illegal immigrants, yet was largely considered unsuccessful because the strict sanctions on employers were stripped out of the bill for passage.

Simpson says the amnesty provision actually saved the act from being a total loss. "It's not perfect, but 2.9 million people came forward. If you can bring one person out of an exploited relationship, that's good enough for me."

Reagan And Amnesty

Nowadays, conservative commentators like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh often invoke the former president as a champion of the conservative agenda. Sean Hannity of Fox News even has a regular segment called "What Would Reagan Do?"

Simpson, however, sees a different person in the president he called a "dear friend."

Reagan "knew that it was not right for people to be abused," Simpson says. "Anybody who's here illegally is going to be abused in some way, either financially [or] physically. They have no rights."

Peter Robinson, a former Reagan speechwriter, agrees. "It was in Ronald Reagan's bones -- it was part of his understanding of America -- that the country was fundamentally open to those who wanted to join us here."

Reagan said as much himself in a televised debate with Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale in 1984.

"I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally," he said.


The failure of that bill was the lack of enforcement, not the amnesty/legalization. And the 1st instance I have seen where I am further to the right than Ronald Reagan.
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Can't we get the MIC to give up some worthless F35s or something, build the damned wall, and get this shit show moving again?
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We have now pitted the Left and the Right (since there is no middle anymore) into this single issue... Who wants a Wall and who doesn't? Who cares about government employees and who doesn't? This is just retarded.
I'm sure most (regardless of left\right) are ok with the idea of a wall, what most are not ok with is paying for it when your glorious leader promised over and over and over and over again and guaranteed that mexico would pay for it.
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We have now pitted the Left and the Right (since there is no middle anymore) into this single issue... Who wants a Wall and who doesn't? Who cares about government employees and who doesn't? This is just retarded.
I'm sure most (regardless of left\right) are ok with the idea of a wall, what most are not ok with is paying for it when your glorious leader promised over and over and over and over again and guaranteed that mexico would pay for it.
Valid point but we need to move forward on it.

I would rather my tax dollars go to that then funding programs for illegal aliens. I reckon many others feel the same way.
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Ok, so I'm just spreading rumours here, because I haven't looked it up.

Rumour has it, US provides assistance to Mexico on an annual basis...is that true? Because someone I know and respect told me that, and that effectively, his suspicion is that Trump will just cancel these assistance payments indefinitely and therefore the wall will be built indirectly using money that would have otherwise gone to Mexico.

But I don't know if that's true...
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