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      01-10-2019, 01:12 PM   #89
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Okay, so generally I am quick to commend Trump when his administration sets some positive policies (there have been several) and I am usually honest and will criticize him on his policy mistakes and blunders (been several of those as well), but this has to be one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard come out of a President's mouth:

When speaking to reporters on the South Lawn of the White House before departure, President Trump stated:

""I have the absolute right to declare a national emergency. The lawyers have so advised me. I'm not prepared not to do that yet, but if I have to, I will. I have no doubt about it. I will," he said. "Other presidents have used this, some fairly often. I have the absolute right to declare an emergency. I haven't done it yet. I may do it if this doesn't work out. I probably will do it. I would almost say definitely."

Good grief that is some nonsensical and incoherent babble. Someone really needs to work with him on this, because it doesn't help him make his case at all.


Okay, back to the regular scheduled debates on the wall.

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      01-10-2019, 01:17 PM   #90
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Okay, so generally I am quick to commend Trump when his administration sets some positive policies (there have been several) and I am usually honest and will criticize him on his policy mistakes and blunders (been several of those as well), but this has to be one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard come out of a President's mouth:

When speaking to reporters on the South Lawn of the White House before departure, President Trump stated:

""I have the absolute right to declare a national emergency. The lawyers have so advised me. I'm not prepared not to do that yet, but if I have to, I will. I have no doubt about it. I will," he said. "Other presidents have used this, some fairly often. I have the absolute right to declare an emergency. I haven't done it yet. I may do it if this doesn't work out. I probably will do it. I would almost say definitely."

Good grief that is some nonsensical and incoherent babble. Someone really needs to work with him on this, because it doesn't help him make his case at all.


Okay, back to the regular scheduled debates on the wall.

Seriously asking here.

What would it mean if Trump did declare a national emergency? Would funding for his wall be automatic? Would it come from the defence budget?
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      01-10-2019, 01:23 PM   #91
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Seriously asking here.

What would it mean if Trump did declare a national emergency? Would funding for his wall be automatic? Would it come from the defence budget?
I don't know - I was more upset with the horrific and nonsensical statement conjecture over his desire to actually declare a national emergency.

Personally, I don't think he should - I think it sets a bad precedence that might be used the other way down the road by the next President (think the Harry Reid Nuclear Option and how it is backfiring).
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Seriously asking here.

What would it mean if Trump did declare a national emergency? Would funding for his wall be automatic? Would it come from the defence budget?
Here is a good read: https://www.npr.org/2019/01/09/68350...ergency-powers

Cliffnotes: Monies could from unobligated funds from any department to fund the construction. The defense department has such funds.
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I don't know - I was more upset with the horrific and nonsensical statement conjecture over his desire to actually declare a national emergency.

Personally, I don't think he should - I think it sets a bad precedence that might be used the other way down the road by the next President (think the Harry Reid Nuclear Option and how it is backfiring).
I'm horrified that there is nearly $1.3 Trillion available in discretionary spending and we are spending so much time on what amounts to decimal dust on this subject. $5 Billion is 0.038% of the discretionary spending budget.

This is politics, pure and simple. And don't forget, they Democrats were ready to spend $30,000,000,000 (if I remember correctly) for the border as a compromise for the DACA crowd with Mr. Trump. Are they really opposed to a wall or just Mr. Trump?
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      01-10-2019, 01:45 PM   #94
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Are they really opposed to a wall or just Mr. Trump?
I think we all know the answer here.
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I think we all know the answer here.
I forgot: Asking for a friend...
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Effective or not, more American's will feel safer...
^^^ This pretty well sizes up Trump: It's about how we feel, not about reality.

Trump made it into a crisis so he can make us feel good when he fixes it. What a hero.
Actually that sounds suspiciously like a liberal (Democrat) mindset.

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Effective or not, more American's will feel safer and more of the loons will try to pass sancuary city legislation.
And some Americans, the ones for fiscal responsibility, will feel less secure.
Lets simply upgrade our technology so illegals can't be hired, and eliminate sanctuary cities and states. Simply uphold the rule of law. Which would be a nice change of pace for Trump.
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The charade of Trump has been laid bare. One of the things he emphasized when running was that he was a deal maker, and master negotiator. What does a master negotiator do? What does a great deal maker do? Makes both sides feel like they're winning, and gets a deal done. Outside of the prison reform, I don't see Trump ever having done this in two years. A master negotiator doesn't go on Twitter and call the people he's negotiating with names.
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Let’s try to imagine what things will be like if Trump gets his wall: Trump will lie about its effectiveness. This will be reminiscent of his lies regarding the dismal turnout for his inauguration.
Effective or not, more American's will feel safer and more of the loons will try to pass sancuary city legislation.
So this is about *feelings*? I thought that was supposed to be the sole domain of liberals...
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Meh. Before I waste buy time reading that thing I looked at the author Carl F. Horowitz formerly of The Heritage Foundation. Already know which way it's going to lean.
Honest question: Do you only read those sources that agree with the way you lean then?
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      01-10-2019, 02:35 PM   #101
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Honest question: Do you only read those sources that agree with the way you lean then?
Not at all. I generally read them all but prior to reading I like to know a bit about the author which helps me to understand the direction of the article. This one in particular is a bit long so admittedly I skimmed over it while working ;-)

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Honest question: Do you only read those sources that agree with the way you lean then?
I would challenge anyone to drop the sources that simply pander to them.
As I am always proud to point out, I left FOX news very late in 2015 when I realized they were simply pandering to my views. I loved O'Reilly, Kelly, and Van Sustren, but the news & subject matter were very slanted. Now with all those figures gone, replaced by less intelligent talking heads, I feel sorry for anyone buying into their crap. Having a wide variety of sources you can use to triangulate to the truth is much better.
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What's with the 'props' at this news conference at the border patrol station? Are border guards carrying M107s now?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/u...as-border.html
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Not at all. I generally read them all but prior to reading I like to know a bit about the author which helps me to understand the direction of the article. This one in particular is a bit long so admittedly I skimmed over it while working ;-)
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I would challenge anyone to drop the sources that simply pander to them.
As I am always proud to point out, I left FOX news very late in 2015 when I realized they were simply pandering to my views. I loved O'Reilly, Kelly, and Van Sustren, but the news & subject matter were very slanted. Now with all those figures gone, replaced by less intelligent talking heads, I feel sorry for anyone buying into their crap. Having a wide variety of sourced you can use to triangulate to the truth is much better.
Agreed - simply reading that which you already agree with isn't going to help you...an opposing viewpoint will either expand your knowledge / worldview, or it will help strengthen your current viewpoint because you will need to prove to yourself why you are right / the opposing point is wrong.
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What's with the 'props' at this news conference at the border patrol station? Are border guards carrying M107s now?
That's the national emergency he is protecting us from, all those guns walking across the border
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That's the national emergency he is protecting us from, all those guns walking across the border
Lots of migrants are carrying American made sniper rifles used by the US military I guess.
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Lots of migrants are carrying American made sniper rifles used by the US military I guess.
Fast and Furious?


p.s. STILL can't find that damn sarcasm font
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Me neither.
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