Do Walls Work?

[Tuxedo]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Not that it's unique to you, but I've been quite amused by this argument. The absolute best part is that this position definitely proves that a physical barrier is effective.

By saying that someone can dig under; climb over; or choose a different route where no barrier is present, is absolutely proving that a barrier is impeding free passage where it is in place. The digging; climbing; or circumnavigating; itself is the proof of a barrier's effectiveness! If no barrier was in place none of these actions would be required. You'd just walk right on through. 💡

Short sighted you’re correct

How much does this barrier cost, then maintenance, then guard, then a conflict how much money did we spend just to start a war. Then war costs etc. Humanity costs. Long term it’s bad roi, simply all my life the boarders have been friendly and changing this will get expensive, very expensive.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo

Short sighted you’re correct

How much does this barrier cost, then maintenance, then guard, then a conflict how much money did we spend just to start a war. Then war costs etc. Humanity costs. Long term it’s bad roi, simply all my life the boarders have been friendly and changing this will get expensive, very expensive.

BTW, the word is borders, not boarders. Boarders are what these people are trying to be and borders are the things we should protect to keep the illegals from being boarders.

[Tuxedo]

Originally Posted by adc100

Ummm. The average illegal costs the taxpayer $8000/year. Illegals contribute their uneducated illegal kids to school districts who then have to (try) and educate them.

As pointed out people that enter by air can be identified.

But in any event your predictable drivel is:"Gee we have a problem..but since we have another problem we won't do anything about the first problem" Again..I don't think the folks on your side are capable of identifying and solvong a problem. Just like the Dems can do nothing except criticize. They do this for two reasons: 1. They feel it shows that the Repubs don't know what their doing but 2. mostly because they don't have a fricking idea or solution to any problem.

Cite your source

I remember these two Politicians argument,

[Tuxedo]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

BTW, the word is borders, not boarders. Boarders are what these people are trying to be and borders are the things we should protect to keep the illegals from being boarders.

Clever

[glennQNYC]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo

Short sighted you're correct

How much does this barrier cost, then maintenance, then guard, then a conflict how much money did we spend just to start a war. Then war costs etc. Humanity costs. Long term it's bad roi, simply all my life the boarders have been friendly and changing this will get expensive, very expensive.

Who's going to war with the United States because we put up a border wall?

[Tuxedo]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Who's going to war with the United States because we put up a border wall?

Hypothetical conflict at the border that made our neighbors our now enemies.

My point is what’s the roi?

[glennQNYC]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo

Hypothetical conflict at the border that made our neighbors our now enemies.

My point is what's the roi?

People can provide hard numbers, but if I may borrow a bleeding heart liberal expression... If the wall saves even just one life, wasn't it worth it?

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo

•Been there done that
•230yrs without a wall 2016 we need it 2019 the government is disfunctioning without it.
•walls fences keep the animals in.

230 years ago we didn't need one. If any of them committed a crime it was enforced quite harshly by American citizens. If it was a real serious crime all that was needed was a rope and a tree. No expensive court trials or life long prison sentences draining the countries coffers, just a $20 tops gold piece for the hangman.

Not to mention 230 years ago they came here and had to roll up their sleeves, keep their noses clean and work or starve. There were no free handouts for illegals courtesy of liberal politicians. No welfare, no free housing, no free education, no free medical, no food stamps, no get out of jail free cards.....

Walls work, the left crying saying they don't work aren't fooling anyone. If they didn't work they'd gladly fork over the measly funds to build it and laugh behind closed doors amongst themselves how they fooled the sucker republicans as the hoarde streamed over it but they're shitting themselves and offering nothing because they know it will shutdown the vast majority of the crossings. Slamming the door on future dems.

The country hasn't seen a large influx of illegals from the sea since the Cuban boat crisis when Castro released thousands of prisoners from his jails and put them on boats aimed at Miami. They were welcomed with open open arms by another idiot democrat, Jimmy boy Carter. The president was hoodwinked and looked the fool because he was a fool.
Let them try to come from the seas today. We'd rather take our chances with them on the deep blue.

[Tuxedo]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

230 years ago we didn't need one. If any of them committed a crime it was enforced quite harshly by American citizens. If it was a real serious crime all that was needed was a rope and a tree. No expensive court trials or life long prison sentences draining the countries coffers, just a $20 tops gold piece for the hangman.

Not to mention 230 years ago they came here and had to roll up their sleeves, keep their noses clean and work or starve. There were no free handouts for illegals courtesy of liberal politicians. No welfare, no free housing, no free education, no free medical, no food stamps, no get out of jail free cards.....

Walls work, the left crying saying they don't work aren't fooling anyone. If they didn't work they'd gladly fork over the measly funds to build it and laugh behind closed doors amongst themselves how they fooled the sucker republicans as the hoarde streamed over it but they're shitting themselves and offering nothing because they know it will shutdown the vast majority of the crossings. Slamming the door on future dems.

Did we need the wall 5yrs ago? 10, 20, 60? No and don’t need it now. Its a Bilking of the American people.

[3.0L]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

BTW, the word is borders, not boarders. Boarders are what these people are trying to be and borders are the things we should protect to keep the illegals from being boarders.

Perhaps he meant surf boarders - the folks who try to do an end-run around the fence that projects into the Pacific Ocean.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo

Did we need the wall 5yrs ago? 10, 20, 60? No and don’t need it now. Its a Bilking of the American people.

Guess what, We had sections of walls 5,10,60 years ago. We need it reinforced and broadend because dems are taking your tax money, my tax money and all taxpayers money to throw to illegals to bring as many as of them as they can here. That's bilking the American people.
The 5 billion wanted for the wall is way is less then 1% of the annual budget for the country.

[Tuxedo]

Originally Posted by 3.0L

Perhaps he meant surf boarders - the folks who try to do an end-run around the fence that projects into the Pacific Ocean.

I apologize for the iPhone blunder. Actually you’ve just made my point for me kinna. Unless we put a wall around the entire country well...

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo

Did we need the wall 5yrs ago? 10, 20, 60? No and don’t need it now. Its a Bilking of the American people.

You do realize there there is an extensive wall there already. Trump wants an extension to the existing wall.

[Tuxedo]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

Guess what, We had sections of walls 5,10,60 years ago. We need it reinforced and broadend because dems are taking your tax money, my tax money and all taxpayers money to throw to illegals to bring as many as of them as they can here. That's bilking the American people.
The 5 billion wanted for the wall is way is less then 1% of the annual budget for the country.

If that is true show the Reagan or HW clip or archive statements. Technology will be far more effective in the future then a wall, that was true then as it is now.

[Tuxedo]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

The 5 billion wanted for the wall is way is less then 1% of the annual budget for the country.

Cite the source this is all and only all it would cost, Mexico will pay for it so who cares right?

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo

If that is true show the Reagan or HW clip or archive statements. Technology will be far more effective in the future then a wall, that was true then as it is now.

Ask and you shall receive. Here you go.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...124-story.html

No it wasn't true then then nor is it true now.
You do understand it often takes actual barriers, manpower and electronics to secure something. Most of your precious democrat leaders have walls around their houses, electronic alarm systems monitored by men with arms ready to do harm to intruders to their property. They have all this to protect what's theirs.

[Tuxedo]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

Ask and you shall receive. Here you go.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...124-story.html

No it wasn't true then then nor is it true now.
You do understand it often takes actual barriers, manpower and electronics to secure something. Most of your precious democrat leaders have walls around their houses, electronic alarm systems monitored by men with arms ready to do harm to intruders to their property. They have all this to protect what's theirs.

Reading this article and your insistence that guard the walls makes a prison, what makes you so scared of a strip of land without a wall on.

20+ years ago when those who came here weren’t afraid of Deportation they were afraid of the IRS. ALL of them have become legal and US citizens. If you want to deplore those making a home here then ask Lady Liberty to move on to another shore.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo

Did we need the wall 5yrs ago? 10, 20, 60? No and don’t need it now. Its a Bilking of the American people.

Its to stop dem voters from coming its why this is happening. We didnt need to stop the only base dems could get crazy people because we had different values then.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Not that it's unique to you, but I've been quite amused by this argument. The absolute best part is that this position definitely proves that a physical barrier is effective.

By saying that someone can dig under; climb over; or choose a different route where no barrier is present, is absolutely proving that a barrier is impeding free passage where it is in place. The digging; climbing; or circumnavigating; itself is the proof of a barrier's effectiveness! If no barrier was in place none of these actions would be required. You'd just walk right on through. 💡

So you admit then that a wall is pointless since it can be circumnavigated.

Thank you

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by Tuxedo

Cite the source this is all and only all it would cost, Mexico will pay for it so who cares right?

Here ya go again. I'm glad to help enlighten you. Can't believe it's such a pittance in the grand scheme of things can ya? Now you'll support the wall right?
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...124-story.html

[Lups]

My thread got ruined!

[Tuxedo]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

Here ya go again. I'm glad to help enlighten you. Can't believe it's such a pittance in the grand scheme of things can ya? Now you'll support the wall right?
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...124-story.html

Thanks it doesn’t quote how much and one number that does stand out is “2007 the Congressional Research Office building 700miles of border fence, then maintenance it for 25yr, could cost $49billion”.

No matter what amounts of wall get built there will always be more to build. Cost way to much to build and maintain what a folly

I’ve had a fine time but I’m gonna leave all for Anglo’s non-porn in off topic.