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      11-12-2020, 03:47 AM   #243
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You can not open the hood at all. That is why the roundel is used to it's purpose.
I guess seeing the IX3 underneath it's hood, it's no real point in opening up, i like my I01 frunk frankly. All EV should have one.
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I like it and think it will do well. Also curious what the real world range will be... probably better than 300.
Has to be a lot better range to make it competitive with Tesla and other new electric brands. Does not look like a BMW to me either.
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You better believe 350 vs. 300 miles is important, despite the arguments some are trying to make. My wife drives from NW Indiana to Indianapolis regularly to visit her customers. That's 155 miles each way.

She cannot replace her X7 based on this alone.

If BMW wants to sell another car, another 50 miles would make all the difference.

Our world is clearly trying to replace ICE vehicles completely. We just aren't there yet. The whole, "We aren't a 2 EV household anyway" argument is ridiculous because if the range and charging capability were there, you absolutely would be a 2 EV household. I suspect most of us would be.
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You better believe 350 vs. 300 miles is important, despite the arguments some are trying to make. My wife drives from NW Indiana to Indianapolis regularly to visit her customers. That's 155 miles each way.

She cannot replace her X7 based on this alone.

If BMW wants to sell another car, another 50 miles would make all the difference.

Our world is clearly trying to replace ICE vehicles completely. We just aren't there yet. The whole, "We aren't a 2 EV household anyway" argument is ridiculous because if the range and charging capability were there, you absolutely would be a 2 EV household. I suspect most of us would be.
Not everyone is your wife or her BF in Indianapolis (kidding! Lool)

The average American drives around 30 miles per day, 300 vs. 350 doesn't matter for MOST.
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You better believe 350 vs. 300 miles is important, despite the arguments some are trying to make. My wife drives from NW Indiana to Indianapolis regularly to visit her customers. That's 155 miles each way.

She cannot replace her X7 based on this alone.

If BMW wants to sell another car, another 50 miles would make all the difference.

Our world is clearly trying to replace ICE vehicles completely. We just aren't there yet. The whole, "We aren't a 2 EV household anyway" argument is ridiculous because if the range and charging capability were there, you absolutely would be a 2 EV household. I suspect most of us would be.
It matters to her, it doesnt matter for 90+% of Americans (and I am sure similiar in the rest of the country) who drive 29.2 miles per day.

This isn't the right car for her, but to be honest a car with a 350-mile range isn't really either because that is 350 miles in very good conditions with driving conservatively.

Would you really stretch an EV on that long of a trip to make it back without charging? Probably not. Most likely she would charge somewhere when she got to her location even for a little bit before she came back. Hell, when I do 150 miles in one direction in a petrol car I just fill it up for the way back just in case.

They make these cars for the majority of buyers (29.2% average), not for the extreme one-off traveler.
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You better believe 350 vs. 300 miles is important, despite the arguments some are trying to make. My wife drives from NW Indiana to Indianapolis regularly to visit her customers. That's 155 miles each way.

She cannot replace her X7 based on this alone.

If BMW wants to sell another car, another 50 miles would make all the difference.

Our world is clearly trying to replace ICE vehicles completely. We just aren't there yet. The whole, "We aren't a 2 EV household anyway" argument is ridiculous because if the range and charging capability were there, you absolutely would be a 2 EV household. I suspect most of us would be.
It matters to her, it doesnt matter for 90+% of Americans (and I am sure similiar in the rest of the country) who drive 29.2 miles per day.

This isn't the right car for her, but to be honest a car with a 350-mile range isn't really either because that is 350 miles in very good conditions with driving conservatively.

Would you really stretch an EV on that long of a trip to make it back without charging? Probably not. Most likely she would charge somewhere when she got to her location even for a little bit before she came back. Hell, when I do 150 miles in one direction in a petrol car I just fill it up for the way back just in case.

They make these cars for the majority of buyers (29.2% average), not for the extreme one-off traveler.
A weak, short sighted argument. How many American families own just 1 car anymore?

Ask your supposed majority of people if they'd feel comfortable replacing all vehicles in their family with 300 mile range EVs. Didn't think so.

Note I said "and charging tech." That is the other side of the equation.

My wife would absolutely drive an EV on her longer road trips if they hit a minimum of 400 miles and/or had rapid charging technology with more charging stations available.

Point is, range is still a limiting factor for wide-spread adoption. 300 is just not enough. It's understandable given where we are in the tech curve, but to argue against more range is about as silly as it gets.
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Yet another over-styled, hideous exterior. I wish they would adopt their shy tech and move that over to their designers for shy design. Way too over the top.
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A weak, short sighted argument. How many American families own just 1 car anymore?

Ask your supposed majority of people if they'd feel comfortable replacing all vehicles in their family with 300 mile range EVs. Didn't think so.

Note I said "and charging tech." That is the other side of the equation.

My wife would absolutely drive an EV on her longer road trips if they hit a minimum of 400 miles and/or had rapid charging technology with more charging stations available.

Point is, range is still a limiting factor for wide-spread adoption. 300 is just not enough. It's understandable given where we are in the tech curve, but to argue against more range is about as silly as it gets.
I dont disagree with you that range is still a limiting factor, but its not 300 vs 350 its the charging network and how fast I can pull in and leave and get another 100 miles or so.

My M3 barely gets 200 miles out of a tank on a good day. I have still driven it on 500-mile trips because I can fill in 5 minutes and leave.

Range anxiety is not because someone can get 300 or even 400 miles out of a trip its how fast you can keep going on.

I will stick to my original weak argument that 300-350 is irrelevant. And most people are not making the decision on that. If it was 300 vs 500 yes that weighs in but still for most it won't matter since they are plugging in at night.

Range on one charge is not as important as how fast I can charge later.
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A weak, short sighted argument. How many American families own just 1 car anymore?

Ask your supposed majority of people if they'd feel comfortable replacing all vehicles in their family with 300 mile range EVs. Didn't think so.

Note I said "and charging tech." That is the other side of the equation.

My wife would absolutely drive an EV on her longer road trips if they hit a minimum of 400 miles and/or had rapid charging technology with more charging stations available.

Point is, range is still a limiting factor for wide-spread adoption. 300 is just not enough. It's understandable given where we are in the tech curve, but to argue against more range is about as silly as it gets.
I dont disagree with you that range is still a limiting factor, but its not 300 vs 350 its the charging network and how fast I can pull in and leave and get another 100 miles or so.

My M3 barely gets 200 miles out of a tank on a good day. I have still driven it on 500-mile trips because I can fill in 5 minutes and leave.

Range anxiety is not because someone can get 300 or even 400 miles out of a trip its how fast you can keep going on.

I will stick to my original weak argument that 300-350 is irrelevant. And most people are not making the decision on that. If it was 300 vs 500 yes that weighs in but still for most it won't matter since they are plugging in at night.

Range on one charge is not as important as how fast I can charge later.
I will meet you half way, then. I do agree that speed of recharge is just as important. But I still disagree that 100 or even 50 miles doesn't make a difference in making a purchasing decision. For many, it still will. Hence, all the "they are still way behind Tesla" type of comments. A lot of people will still be forced to "settle" for a Tesla due to range alone.
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That is truly hideous.

I'm getting sick of manufacturers making electric cars look different as invariably they just look s h i t.
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The EV SUV category will be getting a lot of members for 2022. Porsche recently teased the clay model of their Macan EV in the back of their photo of the 919 Street Concept.
This is what I am considering for a future/next vehicle. Porsche and Audi electrics look so much nicer than what BMW is introducing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...ied-again/amp/
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This is what I am considering for a future/next vehicle. Porsche and Audi electrics look so much nicer than what BMW is introducing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...ied-again/amp/
That wagon is gorgeous. Perfect way of incorporating Porsche design without it screaming "I'M ELECTRIC!"
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Not having a frunk is a deal breaker. One of the reasons people buy electric car is having more usable space. Why that thing is hanging i n front of the windshield in a electric car when you can put everything at the level of the wheels?
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After 100 years, there is no longer a need for a grill... and they are going to take this once in a century opportunity to give us a faux-grill like we are all idiots and might get confused and mistake the vehicle for a UFO or Cinderella pumpkin carriage?

Drop the FAKE grill!!
I'm with you, I don't like fake things. But on the other hand, many people including myself look at the front of a car like it's a face. The headlights are the eyes and the grill is the nose or mouth depending on the styling. To me, cars without grills (like Teslas) just look off... That said, that grill is hideous.
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I'm so sad. BMW is finally making interiors that are up to date while keeping with simple and beautiful design language... yet the outside of BMWs have just been a disaster. Even my wife who could give two shits about cars saw the new 2 series parked in a neighbors driveway and said "that's a BMW? It looks like a Hyundai." That hurt my heart inside as I knew the 2 series isn't even the biggest of problem in the line up.

Also this is an electric car why does it even need a grill!? Incorporate the kidneys if you want but make it slick and aerodynamic!
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I bought the first model-year i3. Traded that for a leased 330e and leased an X5 40e for interstate travel. When both leases came due in early 2020, replaced both with a pair of 530e's. Given that experience, I've pretty well settled on the ideal mix of vehicles for my use. 1) a urban-size EV in an SUV shape for better visibility and having the groceries in a climate-conditioned space. The i3 was too small. The X5 was too big. 2) An interstate travel medium or larger sedan. I like the lower seating position and more compliant suspension in a sedan than an SUV when pounding up an interstate.

Now to the iX. It's too big for my urban use and the range is too short for Interstate use. I would want 400 mile range to minimize the number of charging stops I would need to make in a day's travel. It's ugly, though I do like the interior. It's likely to be WAY overpriced and it's use of a modified ICE CLAR platform means it's got compromises as an EV.

I'm on the pre-order list for the RWD VW iD.4 next Sept. It's the perfect size for an urban vehicle and it's base version is perfectly outfitted for an urban grocery-getter, errand-runner, and trip to the restaurant (oops--take out). It's BMW competition is the iX3, whenever it makes an appearance in the USA; but the BMW will likely be priced higher than the MSRP $40K of the VW and it, also, is a compromised ICE CLAR platform where the VW (and it's companion Audi Q4 eTron) are dedicated EV's. I'll keep one of my PHEV BMW 530e sedans for interstate use. By the time the iX turns up, there will be a number of dedicated large-size EV's with 400 mile range available and the compromised and expensive iX will not make much competition. In 2014, BMW was a technology leader in electrification. Next year, it's a technology follower.
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