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This really doubles down on battery pack + reinforcement rails taking the blunt of any collision impact, and/or battery chemistry that has no thermal runaway. It is all good if it does work. That also may mean any side impact(even small ones) can require replacing the whole battery($$$$$), so hopefully Tesla thinks through the accessibility and serviceability aspects. |
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Automotive News publishes a "Product Pipeline" section, and it shows no new generation products for Tesla through 2025, so any such change remains far off. I think we can all either keep what we have or do a 3 year new EV lease cycle before missing any such new developments, which may coincide with solid state batteries by then.
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Yes, evidence of the weight of the entire car. It is not conclusive about the relative weight of the platform structure. The total weight may arise from a variety or combination of sources. We don’t yet know. That was the point of the discussion.
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why does I4 weight so much?
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https://www.tesla.com/models That said, its battery is also significantly smaller than the Lucid Dream’s battery, so… What’s more significant though is the the Air will be the first sedan of its size to approach or beat the Tesla Model S’s efficiency figures: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...44492&id=43517 Last edited by ZCD1; 09-16-2021 at 03:16 PM.. |
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Funny though when you look at the figures the standard i4 it is on par with the longest range TM3 i4 WTLP is 316-366 and the TM3 is 254-348. So I guess the rule should be if you want i4 range to compete with a TM3, then stay away from what looks like the really fun i4 M50. Just put a level 2.charger at home and get the car.you think will be the most fun. I never drove my 335i more than 300 miles in a day. That is over 11 years of use. I always drove the minivan or SUV for long trips.
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My previous F30 328i was sold at 8.5 years with 80k miles, I was ready to take that car to 15 years/150000 miles to run down the emission warranty, but the inflated used car prices were too enticing to miss. Thinking back it probably is a good thing to skip Tesla for now, and exited F30 early to escape N20/N26 timing chain woes. |
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I bought a 2021 330i base alpine white with B46 engine for $37k(MSRP %43k) + tax + fees. It is base with just PDC + heated seats.
Boilerplate stats are:
But its greatest attribute is 50/50 + classic feel and handling that is somewhere between E39 and E46. Usually Model 3/Accord 2.0T are 5 car lengths behind after cloverleafs. Unlike E46/E90(and most of F30) days, US-spec 330i base includes these standard options in MSRP price to match with competitions:
M-sport package with 704 suspension is $3800 MSRP. Blind spot detection, active cruise control, parking assist (those are the ADAS's available in i4) are extra $$$$ packages, but some are no longer offered due to chip shortage. Also comfort access now does not come with trunk kick, passenger seat has no lumbar support nor width adjust, yikes. Latest production only has digital gauges with MSRP bumped up by $700. Some do like digital gauges, but base analog gauges in mine are very nice. Last edited by bavarianride; 09-17-2021 at 08:18 PM.. |
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I'm just dying to finally order and get in the queue. I'm in position number one at my dealer. Not sure where that puts me for overall queue
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Back to the OP's question - this is a likely scenario:
1) BMW using a shared architecture for the platform means the architecture is NOT optimized for EV use. 2) This means that the platform is heavier than it would likely otherwise have needed to be. 3) Like all of the legacy Euro brands, BMW is not developing its own EV drivetrain in house from scratch. This likely means that it's not optimized for use in this vehicle (see Lucid, Tesla for examples of such optimization). 4) Heavier weight and lack of optimization means the platform is less efficient overall than dedicated EVs. 5) Less efficient + heavy weight means a bigger, heavier battery is required to achieve competitive range. 6) Result: - I4 (and all of the other shared-platform EVs currently on offer) are overweight by comparison with dedicated EVs. Jason Cammisa explained the difference in EV design approach quite succinctly back in 2019: https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...ore-than-ever/ |
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Therefore efficiency is still not quite at Tesla levels, but we are comparing an 8 year old EV with state of the art so not totally fair. -------- I don't think weight is that big of a deal especially for highway driving but in answer to the OP, as has already been said it is not a dedicated platform it also has a bigger battery than for example Tesla Model 3 LR. |
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The battery pack is also designed and built by BMW. They source the cells. The platform is shared and is the CLAR platform.
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Right...and all the wasted electrons speculating about the actual and specific weight effect of a versatile platform is meritless until the first teardown of an entire vehicle. Could be heavier, could be no different, could be lighter. We don't yet know.
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That's a lot of plumbing. You can clearly see how BMW fit the equipment into the original ICE chassis. Surprising how the space is completely utilized (thus no Frunk).
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