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He said miles but he meant KM...the dash showed 187 KM driven with 37% of the battery left, he just did the math to estimate 293 KM total range...which would be 188 miles or so... He was hammering it pretty hard, so no surprise that he was depleting the range....
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So I ordered my M50 today and where I live (Ireland) it costs $105,000 with my selected options (vs ~ $90,000 M3P with some extras) and will have to wait until at least March for delivery. I went for the 19" wheels as range decreases from 503Kms/312 miles (WLTP) to 423Kms/263 miles with the 20". FYI, due to the "chip shortage" the HUD is not available as an option at launch even though it's in all the review models. This may be different in US. Last edited by mrsmith; 10-15-2021 at 05:27 PM.. |
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I really want HUD. Whatever. I'll build in Nov. I have never looked at weight or efficiency when buying a car. Or actually, only to see if it was a guzzler or not. I'm getting the 20's. I'm going all out.
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10-16-2021, 12:15 AM | #72 | |
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And because of Tesla's SW focus, it does not focus enough on the basics. E.g. while BMW and others are conservative with battery safety structures without battery as part of chassis, Telsa will double down by removing the "skateboard", and bolt on front and rear subframes to the battery pack, at a time their battery chemistry still allows thermal runaways. I did have a Model 3 on order, but Tesla had no car for me, so I bought a G20 instead. In hindsight, that appears to be the right choice to sidestep Tesla for now. |
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I guess I was wrong. I had any series for a month with HUD and loved it. Real bummer
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Another way to look at the i4 is that it’s WAY behind the current EV state of the art, which is represented by Tesla, Rivian and Lucid. 5000 lbs at the size of the i4 is borderline embarrassing. |
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10-16-2021, 12:51 PM | #77 | |
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E.g. a 500lb reinforcement frame around battery packs vs. no reinforcement of 6000+ 2170 cells would be useful info for consumers. Let's say Munro says i4's battery partition is 50% safer than Tesla, would u ditch your Tesla right away? |
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BMW uses a 5th generation motor that uses no rare earth metals. It uses integrated and regenerative braking that is full drive by wire and the car decides how much regen vs real brake to use. It varies constantly from 0% regen if the batteries are charged to 100% if the batteries can take the energy. They also use a GPS aware regen and baking system that understands terrain. Don't be fooled that BMW is not a tech leader because the car is heavy and they are conservative. Tesla doesn't have adequate protection for battery packs and there are plenty of stories about cooling nipples breaking and rendering the pack dead. There are also stories about water intrusion killing motors in normal conditions without the car being submerged. Tesla plays fast and loose with safety. My daughter's Chevy Bolt weighs in at 3800lbs. It's quite a bit smaller than the i4. It's also a bespoke EV platform.
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Well lets see if it actually gets 25% less range than the Tesla in real life.
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10-16-2021, 01:53 PM | #80 | |
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What are the engineering advances and techs needed to reduce 1500lb from i4? |
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I doubt you will see a 3600lb electric BMW that people can afford There isn't a secret to weight reduction. If you sacrifice structural integrity and safety you can get lighter weight. Tesla isn't using carbon fiber. I wonder how a TM3 does in am rollover vs a i4? That glass roof..... Tesla is using a single casting in the subframe. it might be lighter but it also means that subframe damage means a total loss The weight or range doesn't bother me and I've never passed on a car that was a porker. My E36 M3 weighed more than my E30. My E90 weighed more than my E36.
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10-17-2021, 01:36 AM | #84 | |
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I do wonder what is i4 weight if it shares G20 chassis. E.g. 3G20 30i is 3500lb. Let's say 300lb can be saved by removing ICE, that drops the weight to 3200lb. Adding 1200lb of battery can get a i4(based on G20) to be around 4400lb, right? |
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10-17-2021, 02:33 AM | #85 | ||
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But in any case the weight is the weight. You can be assured BMW would not have weight on a car that they could dump
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For the guesstimation maths to apply, you would need to start with an M340i G20 weight (the same baseline as the M440i GC comparison) and add that delta between an M440i GC and i4 M50. If we assume the hypothetical "iG20" used the same EV components as the i4 M50, in such a scenario, the base weight of the G20 M340i is 3847 lbs + the delta of i4 M50 and M440i GC of 858 lbs takes the total "iG20" to 4705 lbs, about 474 lbs more than the TM3P. So no great surprise... as a similarly spec'd the G20 is lighter than a G26 by ~350 lbs. |
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Do note the extra 300lb from 330i to M340i comes from the I6 vs. I4, and extra standard options available on M340i. So I would think 330i base's 3500lb minus 300lb will give the G20 chassis + wheels + interior equipments(etc, etc), and then add 1200+lb for battery + electric motor. |
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