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      08-16-2017, 09:47 AM   #1
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"But but it's not based on race."

But but my participation trophy"
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What does that graph mean for you?
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Monuments are created in defiance of any type of advancement by minorities
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Can you go circle jerk on Politico or something else with the other loons?
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ain't it funny how conservatives trash liberals and participation trophies, yet fly one of the biggest symbols of a participation trophy the world has ever seen?

I remember last year some loser tried to tell me "the civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about state rights".

yea, and which state "right" was the biggest reason they was fighting for? the right to own slaves. even military historians will tell you that.

If you want to fly the confederate flag on your piece of shit truck or fly it at your home, do it, it's whatever.

But that nonsense does not belong on any state or federal building, as it represent treason. same with statues. move it to a museum.
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Can you go circle jerk on Politico or something else with the other loons?
We would go, but we would dearly miss your eloquence too much
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We would go, but we would dearly miss your eloquence too much
I wouldn't miss the race baiting and identity politics though.
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Monuments are created in defiance of any type of advancement by minorities
How so?

The primary build-up seems to start in the late 1890's. Plessy v. Ferguson wasn't exactly a "win" for minority rights and that time frame also would have correlated to the time when confederate veterans started to reach the end of their lives. 1910 also would have marked the 50th anniversary of the start of the war.

NAACP was founded near the height of monument building, so it's hard to argue that the monuments came about in response to that. In fact the number of monuments/year start trending downward shortly after their founding.

I can buy your logic re: the number of schools named for confederates as a response for Brown v Board of Education, but then again, 1960 would have been the 100 year anniversary of the start of the war.

Point is - it's not always about 'keeping the black man down.'
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ain't it funny how conservatives trash liberals and participation trophies, yet fly one of the biggest symbols of a participation trophy the world has ever seen?

I remember last year some loser tried to tell me "the civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about state rights".

yea, and which state "right" was the biggest reason they was fighting for? the right to own slaves. even military historians will tell you that.

If you want to fly the confederate flag on your piece of shit truck or fly it at your home, do it, it's whatever.

But that nonsense does not belong on any state or federal building, as it represent treason. same with statues. move it to a museum.
I listened to a podcast last night from the 30's. I recommend doing the same to anyone who is not shitting their pants right now.
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Why is he so salty? Hate facts?
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Can you go circle jerk on Politico or something else with the other loons?
So his opinion is a circle jerk, how does that create an environment of discourse or debate?
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How so?

The primary build-up seems to start in the late 1890's. Plessy v. Ferguson wasn't exactly a "win" for minority rights and that time frame also would have correlated to the time when confederate veterans started to reach the end of their lives. 1910 also would have marked the 50th anniversary of the start of the war.

NAACP was founded near the height of monument building, so it's hard to argue that the monuments came about in response to that. In fact the number of monuments/year start trending downward shortly after their founding.

I can buy your logic re: the number of schools named for confederates as a response for Brown v Board of Education, but then again, 1960 would have been the 100 year anniversary of the start of the war.

Point is - it's not always about 'keeping the black man down.'
Yes it is. Please V Ferguson just upheld segregation, and it's from ere we see an explosion of confederate monuments, especially on State (courthouse) grounds.

Simply put, this is why no one will trust any person/ conservative who tries to argue the contrary - you (and conservatives in general) will always be dismissive to discrimination. If you can't be honest about something so simple, how can I trust you to be unbiased in more complex conversations?
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I wouldn't miss the race baiting and identity politics though.
It's not race baiting. You don't have to talk about Race, but you don't get to tell other people they can't/shouldn't talk about something that effects them everyday.

Your dismissive attitude is actually hilarious, and it's the source of these issue we're experiencing right now.
Basically your post is read as:
"Goodness, why do minorities complain about issue that effect them directly? They should just shut up and accept it!"

Which is ironic considering it has not impact on you, so why not take your own advice and leave?
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Yes it is. Please V Ferguson just upheld segregation, and it's from ere we see an explosion of confederate monuments, especially on State (courthouse) grounds.
Yeah, and again, it also coincides with the 50th anniversary of the war and the time when confederate vets would have been reaching end of life (that is, the time when their children would start memorializing them).

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Simply put, this is why no one will trust any person/ conservative who tries to argue the contrary - you (and conservatives in general) will always be dismissive to discrimination. If you can't be honest about something so simple, how can I trust you to be unbiased in more complex conversations?
I would argue that the unwillingness to even consider alternative theories when there is the slightest possibility that race could be involved begs the same question.

You (and SJW's in general) will always choose to play the victim. If you can't be honest about something so simple, how can I trust you to be unbiased in more complex conversations?

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Yeah, and again, it also coincides with the 50th anniversary of the war and the time when confederate vets would have been reaching end of life (that is, the time when their children would start memorializing them).



I would argue that the unwillingness to even consider alternative theories when there is the slightest possibility that race could be involved begs the same question.

You (and SJW's in general) will always choose to play the victim. If you can't be honest about something so simple, how can I trust you to be unbiased in more complex conversations?

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Cool story, but I'm no SJW.

Again, the court case coincided specifically with the increase of confederate monuments on count house grounds. And you would have more weight to your argument if you could show an increase in all US (Union) monuments at the same time.
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Take them all down asap. I don't want to celebrate traitors that took up arms against their own country.
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Cool story, but I'm no SJW.
Coulda fooled me.

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Again, the court case coincided specifically with the increase of confederate monuments on count house grounds. And you would have more weight to your argument if you could show an increase in all US (Union) monuments at the same time.
Curiously, there's no agenda to be pushed by compiling a timeline of when Union monuments were built so we don't have a pretty graph detailing that. It's ok though - I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just trying to get you to see that there are legitimate alternate reasons why those monuments might have gone up when they did.

Perhaps you'll find this interesting - the DC WW2 monument didn't go up until 2004.
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Monuments are created in defiance of any type of advancement by minorities
So the statue of R. E Lee is stopping black people from advancing. Jesus H. Christ now I heard everything.
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Take them all down asap. I don't want to celebrate traitors that took up arms against their own country.
Well technically the founders of the is country can be branded as traitors as well since they where British subject and took up arms against the British.
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So the statue of R. E Lee is stopping black people from advancing. Jesus H. Christ now I heard everything.

Yes, when they were created that was the exact purpose. Theses statues weren't put up yesterday. Reading comprehension.
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Yes, when they were created that was the exact purpose. Theses statues weren't put up yesterday. Reading comprehension.
Dude is beyond dense.
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