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      09-18-2018, 02:47 PM   #23
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I'm not going to reply to all of that. I will address a couple of highlights.

- No reasonable person has ever claimed men don't get raped.

- 70% of transgressions is still "dominating".

- Our legal system handing out harsher sentences to men vice women is a product of our judges. You think the majority of judges are men or women?

- I think the idea of "himpathy" is pretty ridiculous and we, as a society, have FAR more pressing issues to address.

You have utterly failed to support your argument that women abusing men happens as much as men abusing women. It might still be true, you just haven't provided any evidence for it.

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I'm not going to reply to all of that. I will address a couple of highlights.

- No reasonable person has ever claimed men don't get raped.

- 70% of transgressions is still "dominating".

- Our legal system handing out harsher sentences to men vice women is a product of our judges. You think the majority of judges are men or women?

- I think the idea of "himpathy" is pretty ridiculous and we, as a society, have FAR more pressing issues to address.

You have utterly failed to support your argument that women abusing men happens as much as men abusing women. It might still be true, you just haven't provided any evidence for it.

I'm out.
Fair enough. Ill only address the final point.

From my personal life experience I know this to be true. Many of my examples show how close things are on topics people would assume it wasn't even close. I believe the type of abuse that women inflect on men is widely not recording and/or researched i.e. gold digger, trapping men into child support etc because unfortunately these things aren't considered "abuse" by many.

Lets say you're right thou, and when you factor in ALL types of abuse men abuse woman 60% vs 40% of the time - i could be sold on that. The problem is our society has a narrative that is more consistent to 90% 10%.

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my wife says do this and we can have sex tonight all the time.

i say the same thing, but it never works.

women victimize men more

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Real life example. My best friend, who is 50 married a younger gal with the express caveat that he wanted no children. He has 4. About 4 months after the wedding she begins to nag him about wanting another child and then ratchets up the language and rhetoric with language such as, "I can't believe you're denying me the opportunity to have another child". Now it's 4 months later, I go to a party which he is also attending and he tells me, "I need to tell you something but you probably need to sit down". Yes. She's pregnant. Stopped using birth control without telling and finally tells him after the 10th week. He's a stand up guy and won't leave but this is utter BS.

Different thing. Victimized nonetheless.
Well the solution for your friend would have been to not marry a "younger gal" but maybe marry someone closer to his age and let the law of nature protect him. I'm not a feminist by any means but if all men here agree that women have been victimized by men as much as men have been victimized by women then we have other issues/problems to discuss. Seems to me most men wanna have their cake and eat it too....literally....

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I also have many examples and stories of some of my women friends victimized by my men friends but we don't wanna open than can for now...

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Great video semi related to this topic, and features one of my favorite debaters Jordan Peterson (google his videos if you dont know him)

Good information on the wage gap myth.

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Real life example. My best friend, who is 50 married a younger gal with the express caveat that he wanted no children. He has 4. About 4 months after the wedding she begins to nag him about wanting another child and then ratchets up the language and rhetoric with language such as, "I can't believe you're denying me the opportunity to have another child". Now it's 4 months later, I go to a party which he is also attending and he tells me, "I need to tell you something but you probably need to sit down". Yes. She's pregnant. Stopped using birth control without telling and finally tells him after the 10th week. He's a stand up guy and won't leave but this is utter BS.

Different thing. Victimized nonetheless.
I've seen kind of the same thing happen to a friend but just the opposite. He wanted children she didn't. Not because of age or anything like that. She just didn't want kids. She doesn't like kids and can't stand being around them. Also her legal career was more important to her. Their marriage ended about a year later, ostensibly, because of this. I suspect there was more to it though.
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I've never stated that men aren't. I'm stating that women ARE. Not arguing the negative...proclaiming the factual.

Women are abusive, both mentally and physically, just as men are. That is my position.
I agree. There is no difference in the emotional or physical content. Its the delivery I think where the scales are tipped. IMHO Women will bury the hatchet in your skull or a hammer into the Porsche's windshield then apologize. When they attack your Porsche its time to leave. That is another story though.
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If it was such a big issue for him, he should have gotten a pre-nup. Or he should have done better diligence as to the character of his fiancée before marriage. He really has no one to blame but himself; sorry to say, he isn't a victim here. Just like buying a used M3 from someone on a verbal promise that the rod bearings are just fine, and then having them crater 50 miles later. You're SOL.
Clearly you're posting from Bizzaroland if you're equating a discussion about having a child with rod bearings. It really shows broken thinking and provides me insights into your other posts. I have no further comment.
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      09-18-2018, 07:31 PM   #34
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I'm not so sure about todays version of a Man.

"Fix the what?" "I'll call a handyman"
my sentiments exactly. seems like a bunch of wo"men" these days...
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If it was such a big issue for him, he should have gotten a pre-nup. Or he should have done better diligence as to the character of his fiancée before marriage. He really has no one to blame but himself; sorry to say, he isn't a victim here. Just like buying a used M3 from someone on a verbal promise that the rod bearings are just fine, and then having them crater 50 miles later. You're SOL.
Usually a pre nuptial agreement pertains to money or property brought into the marriage where one party is making an effort to limit the partners right to in various circumstances. I’m not saying that in the circumstance of promising to have or not have offspring can’t be a topic of the pre nuptial it’s just that I have never seen it.

I don’t see it as being the burden of the male or that he could have been more diligent in Msixer’s example. I would argue that he relied of the verbalizations of his partner to not have children. She may have simply changed her mind or may of had more nefarious intent of trapping him. In my opinion it was a breech of promise or trust on the woman’s part.
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Expand on this thought, please? I don't see it.
False rape and/or child abuse allegations, quite often used by women, especially in contested divorce proceedings.
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It funny. I had this conversation with an ex gf who is a real feminist. Her assertion was that women are better than men, period, and that they would never do the things that men do. I countered that her statement was pure BS and then pulled an article on the Iraqi torture events and showed her the woman who was at the center of the controversy. I also reminded her that in states where domestic abuse is assigned to the first person who throws a blow, women are arrested at about the same rates as men.

Violence, ugliness, mean spiritedness, and all the other crap is the individual decision of the assailant in the moment. It has nothing to do with sex anymore than it has to do with race. It's all an individual choice.

Cheers, my friend-mk

Agreed with all of that. People are, by and large, people.

However, I think because of the patriarchal history of our society men are given far more opportunity to victimize women than the other way around.

Equal proclivity plus significantly more opportunity = ???
Wouldn't that be the patriarchal history of EVERY society? Matriarchal societies typically fail, because they are crushed by patriarchal societies - this is true for all of history, afaik.
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Wouldn't that be the patriarchal history of EVERY society? Matriarchal societies typically fail, because they are crushed by patriarchal societies - this is true for all of history, afaik.
No idea, maybe so. I'm not a sociologist and it's not really germane to the discussion we were having.

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False rape and/or child abuse allegations, quite often used by women, especially in contested divorce proceedings.
"Quite often" is subjective. Once is too much, that I'll agree with.

Further, I never claimed that women never abused men - I simply disagreed with the assertion that it happens just as often as the reverse.
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