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      09-19-2018, 07:55 AM   #45
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"Quite often" is subjective. Once is too much, that I'll agree with.

Further, I never claimed that women never abused men - I simply disagreed with the assertion that it happens just as often as the reverse.
A bit of data.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/woman-...olence/196746/

EXCERPT
Female-initiated domestic abuse
Women are three times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by their male counterpart than vice versa. Though those numbers suggest a more dire need, they do not connote that women are completely innocent when it comes to domestic violence.

More than 830,000 men fall victim to domestic violence every year. A man is the victim of domestic abuse every 37.8 seconds in America. These numbers are not inconsequential and the frequency is far from insignificant.

Jan Brown, executive director and founder of the Domestic Abuse Helpline for Men, stated that “domestic violence is not about size, gender, or strength. It’s about abuse, control, and power, and getting out of dangerous situations and getting help, whether you are a woman being abused, or a man.”

In 2001, the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health collected data about the health of a nationally representative sample of 14,322 individuals between the ages of 18 and 28. The study also asked subjects to answer questions about romantic or sexual relationships in which they had engaged during the previous five years and whether those relationships had involved violence.

From this information researchers found that of the 18,761 relationships, 76 percent were non-violent and 24 percent were violent. Of the 24 percent that were violent, half had been reciprocal and half had not — reciprocal meaning there was violence inflicted by both partners. Although more men than women (53 percent versus 49 percent) had experienced nonreciprocal violent relationships, more women than men (52 percent versus 47 percent) had taken part in ones involving reciprocal violence.

This statistic was undoubtedly the most striking: in committing acts of domestic violence, more women than men (25 percent versus 11 percent) were responsible. In fact, in the 71 percent of nonreciprocal partner violence instances, the instigator was the woman. This flies in the face of the long-held belief that female aggression in a relationship is most often predicated on self-defense.

Further, while injury was more likely when violence was perpetrated by men, in relationships that featured reciprocal violence men were injured more often (25 percent of the time) than women (20 percent of the time).

Great Britain’s Office of National Statistics also showed that while 1.2 million women experienced domestic violence, 800,000 men did as well — in the U.K., men comprise 40 percent of those who suffer from domestic violence.

The Department of Psychology at California State University, Long Beach, compiled a bibliography that examined 286 scholarly investigations, 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses demonstrating that which we are reluctant to discuss — the uncomfortable reality that women are as physically aggressive, or even more so, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners.

Let’s put this into perspective: a significant amount of the findings regarding male-as-victim intimate partner violence came about as the result of studies and surveys that were aimed at understanding domestic violence against women. These are not studies conducted by rabid anti-women men’s groups or right-wing think tanks. They were conducted by organizations like the Centers for Disease Control, National Institutes of Health, the American Sociological Association, Psychology of Women Quarterly and the American Journal of Public Health, to name a few.
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Cool. Maybe you're right.

Back it up with data.
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Wouldn't that be the patriarchal history of EVERY society? Matriarchal societies typically fail, because they are crushed by patriarchal societies - this is true for all of history, afaik.
No idea, maybe so. I'm not a sociologist and it's not really germane to the discussion we were having.

Sorry - maybe I read your post wrong- you said

People are people (wholly agree)

But then you said (paraphrasing) "our patriarchal society sets women up for this"

I don't think it's our society, as it's been that way forever, in every society.
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Sorry - maybe I read your post wrong- you said

People are people (wholly agree)

But then you said (paraphrasing) "our patriarchal society sets women up for this"

I don't think it's our society, as it's been that way forever, in every society.
If every other society is also patriarchal, it doesn't make my statement less accurate. I'm only talking about/concerned with our society for the sake of this discussion.

Some societies are obviously more patriarchal than others - I'm not sure where we would fall on the scale.
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Cool. Maybe you're right.

Back it up with data.
Women report it all the time because it benefits them to do so. Men dont and also no benefit except looking like a pussy to society.
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Women report it all the time because it benefits them to do so. Men dont and also no benefit except looking like a pussy to society.
Maybe. Maybe not.

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See youre trying it like a women now! Hands off my wallet.
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See youre trying it like a women now! Hands off my wallet.
No, you're trying it like a woman (at least most of the ones I've been in relationships with) - I can't prove it, but I know I'm right.
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A bit of data.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/woman-...olence/196746/

EXCERPT
Female-initiated domestic abuse
Women are three times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by their male counterpart than vice versa. Though those numbers suggest a more dire need, they do not connote that women are completely innocent when it comes to domestic violence.

More than 830,000 men fall victim to domestic violence every year. A man is the victim of domestic abuse every 37.8 seconds in America. These numbers are not inconsequential and the frequency is far from insignificant.

Jan Brown, executive director and founder of the Domestic Abuse Helpline for Men, stated that “domestic violence is not about size, gender, or strength. It’s about abuse, control, and power, and getting out of dangerous situations and getting help, whether you are a woman being abused, or a man.”

In 2001, the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health collected data about the health of a nationally representative sample of 14,322 individuals between the ages of 18 and 28. The study also asked subjects to answer questions about romantic or sexual relationships in which they had engaged during the previous five years and whether those relationships had involved violence.

From this information researchers found that of the 18,761 relationships, 76 percent were non-violent and 24 percent were violent. Of the 24 percent that were violent, half had been reciprocal and half had not — reciprocal meaning there was violence inflicted by both partners. Although more men than women (53 percent versus 49 percent) had experienced nonreciprocal violent relationships, more women than men (52 percent versus 47 percent) had taken part in ones involving reciprocal violence.

This statistic was undoubtedly the most striking: in committing acts of domestic violence, more women than men (25 percent versus 11 percent) were responsible. In fact, in the 71 percent of nonreciprocal partner violence instances, the instigator was the woman. This flies in the face of the long-held belief that female aggression in a relationship is most often predicated on self-defense.

Further, while injury was more likely when violence was perpetrated by men, in relationships that featured reciprocal violence men were injured more often (25 percent of the time) than women (20 percent of the time).

Great Britain’s Office of National Statistics also showed that while 1.2 million women experienced domestic violence, 800,000 men did as well — in the U.K., men comprise 40 percent of those who suffer from domestic violence.

The Department of Psychology at California State University, Long Beach, compiled a bibliography that examined 286 scholarly investigations, 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses demonstrating that which we are reluctant to discuss — the uncomfortable reality that women are as physically aggressive, or even more so, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners.

Let’s put this into perspective: a significant amount of the findings regarding male-as-victim intimate partner violence came about as the result of studies and surveys that were aimed at understanding domestic violence against women. These are not studies conducted by rabid anti-women men’s groups or right-wing think tanks. They were conducted by organizations like the Centers for Disease Control, National Institutes of Health, the American Sociological Association, Psychology of Women Quarterly and the American Journal of Public Health, to name a few.
I totally believe this...anyone who has been part of a temperamental or passionate union of any length has likely been exposed and if the man fights back, he is a goner. The best thing to do is leave for awhile.
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I totally believe this...anyone who has been part of a temperamental or passionate union of any length has likely been exposed and if the man fights back, he is a goner. The best thing to do is leave for awhile.
Or forever it's having a negative effect on your health and psyche.
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A bit of data.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/woman-...olence/196746/

EXCERPT
Female-initiated domestic abuse
Women are three times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by their male counterpart than vice versa. Though those numbers suggest a more dire need, they do not connote that women are completely innocent when it comes to domestic violence.

More than 830,000 men fall victim to domestic violence every year. A man is the victim of domestic abuse every 37.8 seconds in America. These numbers are not inconsequential and the frequency is far from insignificant.

Jan Brown, executive director and founder of the Domestic Abuse Helpline for Men, stated that “domestic violence is not about size, gender, or strength. It’s about abuse, control, and power, and getting out of dangerous situations and getting help, whether you are a woman being abused, or a man.”

In 2001, the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health collected data about the health of a nationally representative sample of 14,322 individuals between the ages of 18 and 28. The study also asked subjects to answer questions about romantic or sexual relationships in which they had engaged during the previous five years and whether those relationships had involved violence.

From this information researchers found that of the 18,761 relationships, 76 percent were non-violent and 24 percent were violent. Of the 24 percent that were violent, half had been reciprocal and half had not — reciprocal meaning there was violence inflicted by both partners. Although more men than women (53 percent versus 49 percent) had experienced nonreciprocal violent relationships, more women than men (52 percent versus 47 percent) had taken part in ones involving reciprocal violence.

This statistic was undoubtedly the most striking: in committing acts of domestic violence, more women than men (25 percent versus 11 percent) were responsible. In fact, in the 71 percent of nonreciprocal partner violence instances, the instigator was the woman. This flies in the face of the long-held belief that female aggression in a relationship is most often predicated on self-defense.

Further, while injury was more likely when violence was perpetrated by men, in relationships that featured reciprocal violence men were injured more often (25 percent of the time) than women (20 percent of the time).

Great Britain’s Office of National Statistics also showed that while 1.2 million women experienced domestic violence, 800,000 men did as well — in the U.K., men comprise 40 percent of those who suffer from domestic violence.

The Department of Psychology at California State University, Long Beach, compiled a bibliography that examined 286 scholarly investigations, 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses demonstrating that which we are reluctant to discuss — the uncomfortable reality that women are as physically aggressive, or even more so, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners.

Let’s put this into perspective: a significant amount of the findings regarding male-as-victim intimate partner violence came about as the result of studies and surveys that were aimed at understanding domestic violence against women. These are not studies conducted by rabid anti-women men’s groups or right-wing think tanks. They were conducted by organizations like the Centers for Disease Control, National Institutes of Health, the American Sociological Association, Psychology of Women Quarterly and the American Journal of Public Health, to name a few.
And yet the narrative is woman are the victim.


71% of men are homeless.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...pacts-men.html

Almost every study in every 1st word country has men making up 70% of all suicides

Pay gap is a myth which has been scientifically disproven.

To my original post, why do we put a disproportionate amount of resources towards helping men compared to woman and go as far as shunning menwith terms like "himpathy" for having empathy for one another?

Feminists general focus on attacking men, when they forget some basic concepts.

1.) Woman need men
2.) Men and woman are stronger when they support each other equally
3.) Men are victims as frequent as woman even if not in the same way

Take this interesting example that happened just this week at the Emmys.
https://ew.com/awards/2018/09/17/emm...hannah-gadsby/

Hannah Gadsby

She came out and said
“A nobody from nowhere getting this sweet gig. This is not normal. The world’s gone a bit crazy. I got a new suit, new boots, just because I don’t like men. Not all men. Just a lot of them.”

She is being praised as being the funniest part of the Emmy's. Imagine if Andrew Dice Clay came out and said the exact same thing but insert "woman".

She said "calm does guys its just a joke....but what is a joke"?

"'Nobody knows what jokes are these days, especially men"

Its not that she shouldn't be able to joke about any topic she wants (all comedians should), its that it points to this culture of "lets push men down, but if a male comedian did the same it would be misogynistic.

The double standard is getting society nowhere and its being pushed by the lazy people on the far left.
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And yet the narrative is woman are the victim.


71% of men are homeless.
I think you meant 71% of homeless are men.
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I think you meant 71% of homeless are men.
Nah because women are the ones who own all of our shit if we decide to leave
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Please see my earlier post, #46. Money shown. Chi-Ching!
You would have a point if that specific form of abuse was the only abuse that existed.

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I think you meant 71% of homeless are men.
lol. Yes.
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You would have a point if that specific form of abuse was the only abuse that existed.

Please read the highlighted areas. The data is real. Women are just as, if not more, abusive than men in aggregate. You're too smart to ignore data for an opinion.
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You would have a point if that specific form of abuse was the only abuse that existed.

Please read the highlighted areas. The data is real. Women are just as, if not more, abusive than men in aggregate. You're too smart to ignore data for an opinion.
I did read it. All those studies and data appear to be centered around domestic abuse, no?
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Coming from the country who removes children from homes if parents don’t accept their gender identity.
Again, Right....

This is the first time I've heard of this and if what you said is true then I have a problem with it too. Unlike you I'm not afraid of criticizing my party affiliations for the good of my country liberal or not...

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