[Feyd]

Yeah I know there is a tax credit, but still... that's just stupid expensive. And you know that dealers will be making "market adjustments" on them as well since the fickle American public will be flocking to purchase one so they can be cool.

Can't say I'm supprised that this is the way it's going to go down...


Discuss.

[Joonsup]

itll be like the vw phaeton

[wj4]

Is this going to be an electric car like the Nissan Leaf, which is suppose to be priced at $30k? If so, half of the cost is due to the battery.

[Year's_End]

Nobody's gonna want to buy this. You'll see an intial sales rush just because of the hype then it'll drop like a rock. I remember Autoblog's pricing poll with the large majority of votes falling in the 30-35k range. I voted 25-30k. Idk what GM is thinking.

[Nifty]

Sounds like they are going to lease for $350 a month though for 36 months, $2,500 due at signing. I'm the last person who would ever consider buying of those things, but at that price there might be quite a few takers.

[LI E90]

the lease is $350 a month. goes on sales this afternoon 7/27, I bet the first year run sells out my end of the day

[UltimateBMW]

$33,500 with a $7,500 federal tax credit.

But the special lease offer is off the full $41,000.

[Feyd]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

$33,500 with a $7,500 federal tax credit.

But the special lease offer is off the full $41,000.

$33 grand is still too much... even with the tax credit.

Don't forget that $33,500 doesn't include options/dealer fees/delivery charges/sales taxes/market adjustments, etc. So that could be right back up to $41k in a heartbeat.

[MrRoboto]

swing and a miss....again.

[Chewy734]

Like many other typical GM cars, adding a steering wheel will be a pricey option.

[DougLikesBMW]

Originally Posted by LI E90

the lease is $350 a month. goes on sales this afternoon 7/27, I bet the first year run sells out my end of the day

Lmfao...jesus

If you buy this car you are stupid as fuck

(I don't mean you LI E90)

[quagmire]

The Leaf starts at $34K( have to add the quite necessary charger) and the Volt at $41,000. $7000 extra includes the gas engine and generator, etc.

I know it probably doesn't work out that way, but that is a view you can look at.

[TMNT]

GM is also offering an 8 year warranty on the battery.

This car is not the fail some of you expect it to be. It's purpose is not to sell, sell, sell, but to infiltrate the market and expose consumers to the new technology so that it can become main stream in the coming years.

Remember when Hybrids first came out? This will take the same route. You can't make these cars cheap when the batteries on them are crazy expensive right now.

[Feyd]

I agree with the mindset, but tell me how targeting this car at someone who makes $75,000+/yr (the people who typically could afford to finance a vehicle like this) is going to "infiltrate" the market segment where it really needs to?

I know that things like this aren't free... and there is surely a ton of development costs to recoup, I mean this car was supposed to be out over a year ago wasn't it?

I dunno though, I just can't get over the price. If someone could get an all-electric car on the market in the low to mid twenties, you'd sell them so fast you wouldn't know what to do. But $40k+ is retarded... especially for a "plug-in" hybrid. For gods sake the thing still needs fucking gas? To me this just seems at a MAXIMUM of a lateral step as far as technology improvements and in some eyes probably a step backwards. I know they weren't production cars, but wasn't Toyota showing plug-in priuses 3-4 years ago?

And I'm sorry, but I will hold firm to my opinion that the fact that they are charging $41k will make it a total fail 90-120 days out. By that time the media buzz will have fizzled, the inventory will have been completely annihilated and people will be like... "Hang on a sec, I have to wait for 4 months for a mediocre car car with crappy electric range that costs $41k...? What, you'll sell me a new new Corvette for the same amount as my "fully optioned" Volt? Where do I sign?

[ejazbmw]

i remember seeing this at the javit show it had a huge crowd around it could barely see the damn thing, they'll probably sell a lot at this price so stop your bitching unless you had plans on buying one.

[TMNT]

Originally Posted by Feyd

I agree with the mindset, but tell me how targeting this car at someone who makes $75,000+/yr (the people who typically could afford to finance a vehicle like this) is going to "infiltrate" the market segment where it really needs to?

Where does it really need to? GM has a specific target market in mind, and sorry, it's not the people who you think it should be, but its the people they know will buy it.

Originally Posted by Feyd

If someone could get an all-electric car on the market in the low to mid twenties, you'd sell them so fast you wouldn't know what to do.

That's the end goal..it won't happen over night.

Originally Posted by Feyd

And I'm sorry, but I will hold firm to my opinion that the fact that they are charging $41k will make it a total fail 90-120 days out. By that time the media buzz will have fizzled, the inventory will have been completely annihilated and people will be like... "Hang on a sec, I have to wait for 4 months for a mediocre car car with crappy electric range that costs $41k...? What, you'll sell me a new new Corvette for the same amount as my "fully optioned" Volt? Where do I sign?

Again, they know who they're targeting this car to. Go back and look at the locations where they want to sell these cars....where people have money and like novelity. They're not selling this car to the prius demographic. Though, eventually they'd like too.

I remember when the Prius first came to the U.S. after mild success in Japan...sales were minimal and waiting lists were 6 months long for nearly 3 years. Everyone then was saying the same thing you are now.


I think of car technology like this similar to the evolution of flat screen tvs. The newest and greatest flat screens are $$$, but some people will pay to have that new technology and eventually that technology will do down in price and become more affordable for everyone else.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

i remember seeing this at the javit show it had a huge crowd around it could barely see the damn thing, they'll probably sell a lot at this price so stop your bitching unless you had plans on buying one.

No shit it would have a huge crowd around it. GM's been hyping it up for three goddamn years. If someone claims to have a "230mpg" (now bogus) revolutionary electric car, it's gonna attract the people. Nobody knew that GM was gonna price it in the same league as entry level luxury cars though. It better be pretty fucking good. Car enthusiasts have the right to bitch about this.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by Feyd

I will hold firm to my opinion that the fact that they are charging $41k will make it a total fail 90-120 days out. By that time the media buzz will have fizzled, the inventory will have been completely annihilated and people will be like... "Hang on a sec, I have to wait for 4 months for a mediocre car car with crappy electric range that costs $41k...? What, you'll sell me a new new Corvette for the same amount as my "fully optioned" Volt? Where do I sign?

+1

We might be wrong but I just don't believe this car will survive given the pricetag.

[FStop7]

That's pretty expensive considering it's supposed to be a car for the average American.

I guess Obama's rich friends will be able to buy a bunch of them, though. So it's all good when you're the king.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by FStop7

That's pretty expensive considering it's supposed to be a car for the average American.

I guess Obama's rich friends will be able to buy a bunch of them, though. So it's all good when you're the king.

GM doesn't expect the Volt to sell in volume. They are producing 10,000 units for the first year and then 30,000 for the second. They fully well know the price( and untested technology) will scare away the volume market for now.

[JB135i]

Originally Posted by quagmire

GM doesn't expect the Volt to sell in volume. They are producing 10,000 units for the first year and then 30,000 for the second. They fully well know the price( and untested technology) will scare away the volume market for now.

Typical Government program.

It's overpriced and nobody wants it, but it's forced on the market anyway.

Only Government Motors would even consider doing this.

Glad we bailed them (the unions) out yet? This POS car should be $10,000, we have already paid enough for it.

Oh, and the $7,500 credit, yeh, WE ALL ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THIS CAR!

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by JB135i

Typical Government program.

It's overpriced and nobody wants it, but it's forced on the market anyway.

Only Government Motors would even consider doing this.

Glad we bailed them (the unions) out yet? This POS car should be $10,000, we have already paid enough for it.

Oh, and the $7,500 credit, yeh, WE ALL ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THIS CAR!

The Volt program started back in 2007........ You're also paying for the Leaf as it as well qualifies for the credit. You also used to pay for the Prius, etc. You're paying for people to buy the 335d as I believe it still qualifies for a credit due to it being a diesel.

Congrats though for having the most uninformed post I have seen in awhile.