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      06-01-2021, 08:03 PM   #45
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Better price than I was expecting, tough choice between one of these and an M4 tbh. i4 should come in quite a bit cheaper after all the credits etc, and be a more convenient daily. M4 in 6MT presumably will appeal to the emotions more and be able to be tuned. Choices, choices... Can’t wait to drive them both
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      06-01-2021, 08:07 PM   #46
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And the $7.5k fed credit(presumably still available in 2022) will make eDrive40 at par with Model 3 AWD price-wise, with BMW's build quality and nice interior.
Either this will be a short lived benefit (BMW has used up more than half of its 200K quota) or it could flip to the opposite (at least for the i4) if the current proposal to offer higher credit to US built cars gets passed by the Congress.
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Summing up, an M50 optioned up to $70K will be better than a $57K Model 3 Perf though the latter will still handily beat the BMW off the line. A base eDrive40 at $55K will be on par with a $49K dual-motor Model 3, with that $6K difference paying for the nicer interior.
And the $7.5k fed credit(presumably still available in 2022) will make eDrive40 at par with Model 3 AWD price-wise, with BMW's build quality and nice interior.
Well the new bill is set to apply to any EV under 80k so that potentially will make the Model 3 price lower of up to around $12k

As some of the credit is only for car being assembled in the US which the BMW won't

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...edit-increase/
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no mention of curb weight anywhere unless i missed it? are we thinking like 4700lbs?
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      06-01-2021, 08:23 PM   #49
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Well the new bill is set to apply to any EV under 80k so that potentially will make the Model 3 price lower of up to around $12k

As some of the credit is only for car being assembled in the US which the BMW won't

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...edit-increase/
$10K, 12K is for Union 'merican factory.
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Either this will be a short lived benefit (BMW has used up more than half of its 200K quota) or it could flip to the opposite (at least for the i4) if the current proposal to offer higher credit to US built cars gets passed by the Congress.
The remainder of BMW's 200k quota may last for the first year of the new EV offerings(there is no projected production volume yet).

I also read that the new proposal is to get rid of 200k cap, so that will benefit both non-US and US manufacturers alike, with base credit of $7500.

On top there will be $2500 extra for US built(2nd $2500 extra for US created with union tie does not benefit all US built).

Having said that, BMW also can adopt price cuts(to adjust to FMV) that others deploy once fed credits run out, so we will see.
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Since BMW always understate acceleration time, I'm curious to know the real world tested acceleration time.
My point exactly

This will be 3 or suv 3s car, more power then m3. Thats a fun battle for enthusiasts
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Well the new bill is set to apply to any EV under 80k so that potentially will make the Model 3 price lower of up to around $12k

As some of the credit is only for car being assembled in the US which the BMW won't

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...edit-increase/
The quoted article says $7500 credit still remains without 200k cap for everyone, but US built gets extra $2500, and union built(e.g. Ford/GM?) gets 2nd extra $2500.

The estimated cost is almost $32B, which may be used to get the basic R&D done (and production ramped) for carbon/solid-state/Al-ion/which-ever tech that can do 60x faster charge and 3x denser .... just saying.
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Well the new bill is set to apply to any EV under 80k so that potentially will make the Model 3 price lower of up to around $12k

As some of the credit is only for car being assembled in the US which the BMW won't

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...edit-increase/
$10K, 12K is for Union 'merican factory.
You are right. 10k for us built $12k for union based
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It's easy to see that this was not a "full" attempt at an EV so if you take it for what the i4 is, I'm willing to accept some of its shortfalls. While the range isn't the best, it's also not terrible - you get decent range with a G2X interior with a price tag that doesn't approach six-figures.

It's not quite a Model 3 in terms of range but also not priced like an Audi e-Tron GT but you get all the typical BMW stuff but in EV form.
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I think there were other threads stating that the LCI 3/4/M3/M4 will get the new iDrive debuted on the i4 and iX. Given the dash on the i4 pretty much look alike with the 3/4 series, might this be a preview of how the dash will look like on the LCIs?
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I hate that they are able to get away with slapping M badges on everything these days.
An i4 M should be a 0-60 2.5-2.8, 300-400 mile range and compete against a Tesla P100 or fairly close.

But calling it an M (because it had M seats?) and the performance is the same as a base Model 3 is not too inspiring.
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It's not quite a Model 3 in terms of range but also not priced like an Audi e-Tron GT but you get all the typical BMW stuff but in EV form.
Agreed, $55.4k for the i4 40 before $7.5k fed credit is not bad. And typical BMW stuff is all good with peace of mind.
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240 miles is fine for me. Its the same range as my M2 and I've never used all of the range in one trip.

Grills actually look "ok" on this. Not gorgeous, but ok.
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An i4 M should be a 0-60 2.5-2.8, 300-400 mile range and compete against a Tesla P100 or fairly close.

But calling it an M (because it had M seats?) and the performance is the same as a base Model 3 is not too inspiring.
The order screen says 3.7 0-60mph. And BMW is pretty conservative. Perhaps it is at 50% SOC? My i3s is rated around 6.7 sec, I have achieved 5.9 with 1ft rollout. So while people say the Bolt is quicker than an i3 on paper, in reality it isn't.
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The ICE cars today are the best ICE cars that mankind has ever produced.

The electric cars today are the worst electric cars that mankind will ever produce.
Assuming that the engineering abilities of the human civilization are constantly progressing, the following is always true for any X:

X today is the best X that mankind has ever produced.

X today is the worst X that mankind will ever produce.

In other words, you didn't really say anything valuable about ICE or EV cars.
Lol
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this is perfect for me. 55 mile commute when I move to the club. charge it at the club each day while Im there. Should be ideal I would think for me.
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Was there any info shared today regarding ADAS capabilities and what level of autonomy this car could achieve? What type of sensors (radar/camera/Lidar) it has?
As mentioned in the iX thread, it seems like i4 also has exactly the same verbiage regarding ADAS capabilities which seems a bit odd for iX considering that it was initially marketed as having more autonomous capabilities
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I like it, performance for the 50 is better than I thought (and I assume BMW sandbag these figure just like they do with the gasoline ones), but range is a bit disappointing, don't really need that much, but I don't live in the burbs, so charging is a trouble and even if I solve that I want "one" car just because it's less hassle when you have to park in a garage somewhere else, so that range isn't really one car for me.

I mean I assume the total package as a whole is good (built quality, finish etc.), but as of today I think Telsa still win overall (performance, range, and the whole charging infrastructure)

I mean BMW can charge a premium for being "better elsewhere" but I want performance and range to be the same, then other part better then charge me more for it rather than compromise here and there.
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An i4 M should be a 0-60 2.5-2.8, 300-400 mile range and compete against a Tesla P100 or fairly close.

But calling it an M (because it had M seats?) and the performance is the same as a base Model 3 is not too inspiring.
Thought Model S is 5 series big?

also if those are the figures, then might as well move to full electric today or the gasoline M division have to put out 1000hp M5 and 800hp M3?

edit: as in if i4M is 85k with better than M5 performance then M3 and M5 will need to way up the game
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Can someone explain why the motors are so big they take up the whole engine compartment? Tesla's have frunks and I kind of expected EVs would be.
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Assuming that the engineering abilities of the human civilization are constantly progressing, the following is always true for any X:

X today is the best X that mankind has ever produced.

X today is the worst X that mankind will ever produce.

In other words, you didn't really say anything valuable about ICE or EV cars.
My post went over your head, actually, and it was extremely valuable insight.
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