10-06-2016, 04:15 PM | #23 | |
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If the dealers spun this into a story to sucker people into paying extra, it's not BMW's fault. In fact, that's what dealers do, and people should know that. Some may even be okay with paying significantly over list price, if they get to be the first and only ones in town for a while. Good for them. Everybody is responsible for their own decisions and should have more character than blaming others. I personally have never seen misleading info from BMW, so I don't understand the gripe. |
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10-06-2016, 04:22 PM | #24 | |
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It's also an investment in technology - the manufacturing infrastructure and know-how (e.g. "Life-Drive Architecture") - can be re-used for future BMWi cars. |
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10-06-2016, 05:27 PM | #25 | |
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Makes no sense whatsoever. They built (tens of) thousands, point been made. So why loosing more money? |
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10-06-2016, 08:46 PM | #26 |
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Does anyone know the yearly sales goal? That would give one a feeling if sales expectations were met.
From a branding standpoint it seems to be a hit as most people seem to consider it an exotic car based on its looks alone. |
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10-07-2016, 12:41 AM | #27 | |
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There's a million other reasons. You don't just stop something that you say is a glimpse of the future. That would kill your message right there. Amazon didn't make money for years when they first started out ... This is a conscious investment and kudos to BMW that they stick with it. Last edited by Aye-eight; 10-07-2016 at 01:52 AM.. |
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10-07-2016, 02:43 AM | #28 |
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All this talk and worry of sales, come on guys. It's a car. If you are worried about depreciation, lease it. But it's a great car. My dad had a corvette Z06 when I was in high school. If someone would have told me 10 year ago that I'd own a car that was as quick as that, from one of my favorite brands, that's a hybrid, with freaking butterfly doors I would have kissed them lol.
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I think BMW needed to sell i8's because they need to bring the MPG for the BMW Fleet to meet the CAFE Regulations. Now that BMW is selling the X5 and 7-Series as a Hybrid we should see a decrease in the i8 production. I think the I8 was nothing more than a RD Project to introduce the Hybrid technology to their normal cars in-order to meet future CAFE Regulations.
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10-07-2016, 11:42 AM | #31 | |
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I think Aye-eight's reference to the i8, being currently a loss leader, pertains to the fact that i Division is still in the early stages towards reaching its economy of scale with respect to production/operating costs. Combine this with the initial capital costs (R&D, new plant and equipment, to name a few), profitability will eventually occur over time based on BMW's proforma or financial projection. But not at this current stage in time. On another note, how BMW chose to reach economy of scales and profitability sooner by ramping up the number of i8s produced may not have been a wise choice. However, like any seasoned business operator, they will eventually find the equilibrium between demand, supply and profit margins. |
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10-10-2016, 05:42 PM | #32 | |
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BMW Corporate might take a loss on the cars, and that's a long term financial decision. The Dealerships get huge incentives from BMW NA (or AG) to move the cars. I'd wager that all the cars that moved last December went out the door because of massive incentives from Corporate to the Dealers. That said, selling cars isn't where Dealer make their profits. Parts and Service is where the reliable profits are.
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10-13-2016, 01:33 AM | #33 | |
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BMW has a whole strategy to respond to the changes in the mobility space. This covers propulsion technology, materials, changing ownership models (car sharing), integrated urban mobility, etc. BMWi was launched explicitly to build up that new mobility platform, and it's still in its infant stage. They did not do all this just to fill a gap until they can make their old-school cars CAFE-compliant. As sad as it may be, what we will see going down is the production of big-displacement combustion engines. That's what the i8 is: practical proof that fast / fun / luxury cars can have much smaller engines. The general market needs to be prepared for that idea, and we are the early adopters. |
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10-13-2016, 09:17 AM | #34 |
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i hope they stop making it
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12-01-2016, 11:47 AM | #35 |
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Chart updated, November 2016 US numbers
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12-01-2016, 03:23 PM | #36 |
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So, fairly consistent, looks like about 170-180 units a month on average. The spike in December last year clearly caught up with them in the first months of this year. Curious, if we will see the same pattern again.
At 5 to 6 cars sold per day, and 20 being produced per day, this means 25-30% of production is going to the US. That seems like a lot. Does anybody know that ratios for BMW's other models? |
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That may have been the case in the beginning, and would be impossible now. Because it would mean that 100% of production goes to the US.
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/03/28/b...o-meet-demand/ |
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12-03-2016, 01:50 AM | #40 | |
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I am just quoting the factory production manager in Leipzig who confirmed that they produce 100 i3s and 5-7 i8s per day. This was a couple of months back in September. Having had the factory tour, the i8 production line is only a fraction of the size of the i3 production line and is very manual (unlike the i3's process), so it is difficult to so see how they could produce more than 7/8 per day. |
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The car is an egineering masterpiece and a brave act of visionary thinking that assumed great risk but ultimately did not yield the numbers BMW might have expected. They should have really gambled on the SUV and Executive segment to generate a proper return on investment. |
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