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      07-06-2015, 06:45 PM   #23
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BMW I hope you're reading this. MAKE A SUPERCAR PLEASE.
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      07-06-2015, 08:02 PM   #24
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No offense, but you have a 2009 Porsche (and I'm assuming its not a Turbo, as your sig doesn't say so). So I too would take a brand new BMW i8 over any 997 (non-turbo).

However, this is comparing a brand new 991 Turbo which is (again, no offense) leaps and bounds better then any 997, and especially a non turbo 997.

As others have said, this comparison is just not realistic...
I am not sure why you are all so sure. The comparison is just not in one axis, I have now seen multiple reviewers prefer the i8 over other "better" cars but not just on any one single characteristics.

So what, in your opinion, makes it impossible for someone to pick the i8 over a 991 Turbo? Speed? Handling? Ride characteristics? Interior? Quietness? Ability to shift character of the car? Effortlessness? Fuel Efficiency? How quickly you can accelerate out of a curve? The innovative technology? Ability to have an all electric drive?

For example could you believe as much as I love the R8 I would pick the i8 over the R8 any day?
Oh I don't know the fact the reviewer admitted he had to corner 10 mph slower , and the fact it traps well over 10 mph slower in the quarter mile than both the GTS and turbo while having large amounts of understeer and minimal steering feel vs both ( Chris Harris really bashes the i8 handling in his review ) . Hell the base 911 destroyed the I8 in an instrumented test on track . It's a green agenda/ exterior preference review period. Performance wise both the GTS and the 991 turbo are in another league as drivers cars and are both sports cars while the I8 is a futuristic looking hybrid coupe. I don't give the i8 bonus points for being "future tech" . To get my hard earned money a car has to deliver now , but each person has the right to purchase for their own reasons . It's your money after all .
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      07-06-2015, 10:52 PM   #25
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Exactly if instrumented performance is your thing then you are absolutely right. And I'll point out, as it has been many times, i8 is not even billed as a super/track car.

Yet it does very well, and delivers a drive unlike any of the other cars. When I say future performance I don't mean an idea for future, rather a futuristic driving experience.
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I think it may break on two things:

1) Have you actually driven one or is it just a "concept" because it is hard to describe the car unless you have experienced it, and

2) Whether you prefer the good old fashioned "best of breed" traditional design or do you prefer more technical designs.
1) Nope I've never driven i8. But I know that it won't disappoint me based on my personal preferences toward this particular hybrid.

2) I like both. But in this case, specifically, I would take i8. It stands out because it's NEW in its unique way.
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      07-06-2015, 11:43 PM   #28
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A sportier i8 will be available.
We'll see what it can offer and how close to a real sport car will be
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      07-07-2015, 04:08 AM   #29
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      07-07-2015, 07:55 AM   #30
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Exactly if instrumented performance is your thing then you are absolutely right. And I'll point out, as it has been many times, i8 is not even billed as a super/track car.

Yet it does very well, and delivers a drive unlike any of the other cars. When I say future performance I don't mean an idea for future, rather a futuristic driving experience.
Yes when I'm paying 150k for a car , I care very much about its objective performance and subjective driving experience . If I want a 3-cylinder hybrid driving experience on skinny tires, I'll put a body kit on a Prius and save 100k .
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      07-07-2015, 08:15 AM   #31
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Yes when I'm paying 150k for a car , I care very much about its objective performance and subjective driving experience . If I want a 3-cylinder hybrid driving experience on skinny tires, I'll put a body kit on a Prius and save 100k .
Everything is a compromise.

I love driving my heavily modified, appx 575hp E63 M6 which delivers a pretty brutal driving experience with upgraded suspension, brakes, intake, tune, etc. Fuel economy: 9mpg. Sound from tubi x-pipe and section 3: INSANE. I can be heard for almost 2 miles at full chat! I love it.

I also love driving my appx 360hp i8 which delivers a different driving challenge. I enjoy balancing the energy utilization and recovery rates while attempting to maximize performance in that respect AND driving a pretty quick car that garners an almost unhealthy amount of attention. It is a technological tour de force that is a satisfying in every way.

Not quite a prius with a body kit. Not even close.

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Yes when I'm paying 150k for a car , I care very much about its objective performance and subjective driving experience . If I want a 3-cylinder hybrid driving experience on skinny tires, I'll put a body kit on a Prius and save 100k .
No offense but that last statement tells me you have no idea what an i8 really drives like.
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      07-07-2015, 10:19 AM   #33
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I have a Porsche too and yes I pick the i8 also!
unfair to compare your 2009 Pcar to 2015 BMW. Try a 2013 or newer.
Huge difference in the new 991 platform!
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      07-07-2015, 11:29 AM   #34
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unfair to compare your 2009 Pcar to 2015 BMW. Try a 2013 or newer.
Huge difference in the new 991 platform!
Has the suspension improved between 2012 to 2015 for the 991 series? Undoubtedly, one of the best street legal track cars but is less practical for urban roads and for everyday use (no place and opportunity, outside the track, to unleash its performance). Nearly every passenger complained about the harsh suspension, especially when going over uneven roads/potholes. As a result, ended up trading it in due to the rather stiff ride quality.

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      07-07-2015, 03:11 PM   #35
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Has the suspension improved between 2012 to 2015 for the 991 series? Undoubtedly, one of the best street legal track cars but is less practical for urban roads and for everyday use (no place and opportunity, outside the track, to unleash its performance). Nearly every passenger complained about the harsh suspension, especially when going over uneven roads/potholes. As a result, ended up trading it in due to the rather stiff ride quality.
You are absolutely right, the 997 platform was harsh which is why I avoided it.
The 991 is almost cushy in comparison. Considered an i8 as it is a beauty.
Having always owned BMW's since the 70's I wanted to wait for the 2nd gen i8.
The reason being taking such an advanced model to the dealer for service I usually hear " we haven't seen any of these in here yet"
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      07-07-2015, 03:30 PM   #36
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A sportier i8 will be available.
We'll see what it can offer and how close to a real sport car will be
OHHH. Sign me up now. I LOVE my i8 But a few more horses and wider tyres JEEZ what a car it could be. It's already stunning in looks and preformance. Give it 30% more and a giant killer it will be..
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OHHH. Sign me up now. I LOVE my i8 But a few more horses and wider tyres JEEZ what a car it could be. It's already stunning in looks and preformance. Give it 30% more and a giant killer it will be..


A friend who owns a few hypercars told me that it is an absolute crime that a car that looks this good has anything less than 600 HP.
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      07-07-2015, 03:59 PM   #38
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The dealbresker for me with electric is not being able to sustain full output in repeated hard driving.

Sad people care abut mpg in this segment. Who Cades about gas mileag in a niche performance market? It's the world's least concern what 200k dollar sport car emasons are
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      07-07-2015, 04:43 PM   #39
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Sad people care abut mpg in this segment. rQUOTE]

Ok...but mostof us care about emissions! I would like to see my children still have trees and animals, so if I can dosomething about it, I will. So guess I am sad,and loving it!
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Sad people care abut mpg in this segment. rQUOTE]

Ok...but mostof us care about emissions! I would like to see my children still have trees and animals, so if I can dosomething about it, I will. So guess I am sad,and loving it!
Your statement resonates with me. For trips out of town, I would either rent a Prius, a similar hybrid or an e-vehicle to lessen my guilt for contributing more than my fair share of high emissions from my cars with larger: engine displacements and emissions.

While we can enjoy our personal pursuits, it shouldn't be at the expense of others. In many ways, I am glad to have the guiltless pleasure of an i8, where the feel of traditional sports car performance can also be combined with low gas consumption and with low emissions. Thank you BMW i division for producing such a technological marvel!

My experience with the i8 has given me the confidence to seriously look into finding replacement hybrids or electric vehicles for both of my Mercs (CL63 AMG and E 500). Thanks for the reminder kip1. We should live life with no regrets!

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No offense but that last statement tells me you have no idea what an i8 really drives like.
Well I've driven it for a day, and while it's quite impressive as a technology statement the driving experience is rather underwhelming. I did not like the steering, the handling is ok but far removed from real sports cars, and while the acceleration is nice it is not impressive for a car in that price segment.

The biggest disappointment is however that after a good 10 minutes of WOT driving on German Autobahn the battery is empty and you're left with a measly 3 cylinder car that is outgunned by any ordinary diesel car pootling around. Embarrassing to say the least.

As someone else said, you can buy it for a lot of reasons, but wanting to have a true sportscar is not one of them.
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Well I've driven it for a day, and while it's quite impressive as a technology statement the driving experience is rather underwhelming. I did not like the steering, the handling is ok but far removed from real sports cars, and while the acceleration is nice it is not impressive for a car in that price segment.

The biggest disappointment is however that after a good 10 minutes of WOT driving on German Autobahn the battery is empty and you're left with a measly 3 cylinder car that is outgunned by any ordinary diesel car pootling around. Embarrassing to say the least.

As someone else said, you can buy it for a lot of reasons, but wanting to have a true sportscar is not one of them.
Yes, steering is loosey goosey. Just getting in & over the sill hump to sit down is a pain in the butt & back. Look forward to version II. Love that word "pootling", it fits.
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Yes, steering is loosey goosey. Just getting in & over the sill hump to sit down is a pain in the butt & back. Look forward to version II. Love that word "pootling", it fits.
Well I have to disagree respectfully about the steering. It is electro-mechanical, but it is one of the best "non mechanical" steering setups I have driven. It makes perfect sense and gives feedback.

And for my current desires I much rather have a perfectly balanced car than a "track car for the road." As someone else said I have a real track car for the track.
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Well I have to disagree respectfully about the steering. It is electro-mechanical, but it is one of the best "non mechanical" steering setups I have driven. It makes perfect sense and gives feedback.

And for my current desires I much rather have a perfectly balanced car than a "track car for the road." As someone else said I have a real track car for the track.
It's not just the i8,all current BMW's have almost no road feel to me.
They feel on par with my Honda Ridgeline. The last steering in a BMW I had that felt good was my E46 M3. Just about perfect.
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