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      10-19-2021, 04:01 PM   #4599
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Okay?!?! My question still stands. Are we talking SFPD, UC San Francisco PD……? Are you talking one of the many SFPD stations? Mentioning SF is like mentioning LA. I'm looking for specificity.
"San Francisco has placed 76 of its police officers on paid administrative leave for failing to get the COVID-19 vaccine. That number is much lower than was expected." That's all I got.
I hope they lateral elsewhere. San Francisco has become an even bigger shithole.
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"San Francisco has placed 76 of its police officers on paid administrative leave for failing to get the COVID-19 vaccine. That number is much lower than was expected." That's all I got.
"Of SFPD specifically, about 5% of staff members, including 76 police officers, remain unvaccinated. SFPD has a staff of 2,117. Thirty-five fire department staff and 39 employees in the sheriff's department are unvaccinated, as well. A further departmental breakdown was not immediately provided by SFDPH."

https://www.sfgate.com/bay-area-poli...y-16536031.php



"While about 72% of adult Californians and 64% of Los Angeles residents 16 and older have received at least one vaccine dose, only about 51% of LA firefighters and 52% of the city’s police officers are at least partially vaccinated, the Los Angeles Times reported Saturday.

Fewer than 30% of Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department staff have received vaccine doses through employee clinics, and about 54% of state corrections employees are at least partially vaccinated."


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As of yesterday in MA, 36% of those in hospital with covid are fully vaccinated. Been tracking this # since they started reporting it, and it has trickled upwards.
Yes!! It only means more people are being vaccinated.
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It will never be 100% or near that……


…..not without threatening everybody and the government being willing to uproot countless lives in order to obtain compliance. You'll get civil war long before that happens.

95% vaccinated in the SF police dept is pretty close to 100%. It should give herd immunity.
When is the civil war starting, & is it going to be on TV?
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It will never be 100% or near that……


…..not without threatening everybody and the government being willing to uproot countless lives in order to obtain compliance. You'll get civil war long before that happens.

95% vaccinated in the SF police dept is pretty close to 100%. It should give herd immunity.
When is the civil war starting, & is it going to be on TV?
Population dolt! Geez!
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Population dolt! Geez!
Whatever!!!
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I hope they lateral elsewhere. San Francisco has become an even bigger shithole.
Man it was horrible ten years ago.
People defecating on Market in broad daylight, and San Franciscans just casually walking by. Can't imagine how it is today.
Aside from the weather, I don't get the draw to the west coast-at all.
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I hope they lateral elsewhere. San Francisco has become an even bigger shithole.
Man it was horrible ten years ago.
People defecating on Market in broad daylight, and San Franciscans just casually walking by. Can't imagine how it is today.
Aside from the weather, I don't get the draw to the west coast-at all.
It's even worse now. Much like Seattle, it looks just as bad as Los Angeles and is surging in crime as well.
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So, if being less contagious & contagious for a shorter time aren't enough, we have this:

"Researchers from the Netherlands took it a step further and looked at respiratory samples taken from vaccinated people with breakthrough infections and found that the virus in their noses was less likely to be infectious compared to unvaccinated people who got COVID. Still, infectious virus was detected in 68% of the vaccinated participants (compared with 85% of unvaccinated participants). "
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/break...b0487c855a2463

Are we there yet?
I don't know, have you looked up the meaning of virulent yet? Less virulent means the characteristics of the virus have changed making less deadly which is not the case. That is way different then being less contagious/infectious. Yes, there is a lower viral load in vaccinated people and their bodies clear the virus faster, both meaning vaccinated people are less likely to infect others. You simply avoided my first question...
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I don't know, have you looked up the meaning of virulent yet? Less virulent means the characteristics of the virus have changed making less deadly which is not the case. That is way different then being less contagious/infectious. Yes, there is a lower viral load in vaccinated people and their bodies clear the virus faster, both meaning vaccinated people are less likely to infect others. You simply avoided my first question...
Excuse me, sir.
I put good time in to answer your question. If you put in equal time to what I did, you will know that this is a very hard stat to nail down. The articles I read said that we need better tracking to answer your question.
I tried to satisfy your inquiry by giving related info. I failed to find exactly what you want, but how does that bear on the bigger vaccination questions?

The best answer I found said that some of the virus shed from vaccinated folks consisted of some dead, weakened, & thus less virulent virus particles. Hence, on the whole the shed would be less virulent. To prove this you would have to culture many viral samples, which we don't do.

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Excuse me, sir.
I put good time in to answer your question. If you put in equal time to what I did, you will know that this is a very hard stat to nail down. The articles I read said that we need better tracking to answer your question.
I tried to satisfy your inquiry by giving related info. I failed to find exactly what you want, but how does that bear on the bigger vaccination questions?
I didn't ask a question! You were the one who stated that being vaccinated makes the virus less virulent and posted threads which did not back that up. The virus spread by vaccinated is unchanged by the vaccine.

I have never disputed the benefits of the vaccines and its ability to reduced transmission. I'm asking you to prove/back up the less virulent claim but as usual you somehow deflect.
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I didn't ask a question! You were the one who stated that being vaccinated makes the virus less virulent and posted threads which did not back that up. The virus spread by vaccinated is unchanged by the vaccine.

I have never disputed the benefits of the vaccines and its ability to reduced transmission. I'm asking you to prove/back up the less virulent claim but as usual you somehow deflect.
You asked me to clarify my post. I tried a few times, & then admitted I failed to satisfy you.
I understand your upset with my use of 'virulent'. I didn't use the word in a strictly proper way. But I subsequently tried to explain what I meant.

And I asked you a question, pls. How does this mattter in the big pic?
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So, if being less contagious & contagious for a shorter time aren't enough, we have this:

"Researchers from the Netherlands took it a step further and looked at respiratory samples taken from vaccinated people with breakthrough infections and found that the virus in their noses was less likely to be infectious compared to unvaccinated people who got COVID. Still, infectious virus was detected in 68% of the vaccinated participants (compared with 85% of unvaccinated participants). "
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/break...b0487c855a2463

Are we there yet?
If this was an "attempt to clarify" it is a poor one and basically your only response to me.
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Can we please stop with the virus crap? I would REALLY hate to see this thread get locked because a few people *still* do not comprehend that BP no longer offers a Politics & Religion section and does not welcome those topics any more.....
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Can we please stop with the virus crap? I would REALLY hate to see this thread get locked because a few people *still* do not comprehend that BP no longer offers a Politics & Religion section and does not welcome those topics any more.....
Back to police topics….


It's nice to see that cooler heads are prevailing in the U.S. Supreme Court.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/10/18/p...urt/index.html
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Well stated!!!

When the rum talks, we all rejoice.
Thank you my brother, I may get into the bourbon a bit later. I might even light up a Cohiba and start preaching.
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Sedan, Murf, others: thank you in advance of the closure of this thread. It was fun/interesting to be able to ask stupid questions in a safe place.


Might be the caffeine talking. . .
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Sedan, Murf, others: thank you in advance of the closure of this thread. It was fun/interesting to be able to ask stupid questions in a safe place.


Might be the caffeine talking. . .
Naw. We've veered off the path before, but we self-corrected. I think we'll be okay.

It's back to work later this afternoon. A gangster was shot twice in the leg last night in my patrol area. I wish the other gangster had been a better shot and his grouping was about two feet higher.
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Naw. We've veered off the path before, but we self-corrected. I think we'll be okay.

It's back to work later this afternoon. A gangster was shot twice in the leg last night in my patrol area. I wish the other gangster had been a better shot and his grouping was about two feet higher.
Play safe on your shift.
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Naw. We've veered off the path before, but we self-corrected. I think we'll be okay.

It's back to work later this afternoon. A gangster was shot twice in the leg last night in my patrol area. I wish the other gangster had been a better shot and his grouping was about two feet higher.
Play safe on your shift.
That's the plan, Sir! I'm working a double today; half on the beat and half on dispatch.
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Yeah, Can't be easy wearing a uniform these days. But thank you for doing so.
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