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This is where it becomes helpful to think of EV as a family of technologies. The two big ones right now are BEV and FCEV. The latter begins to make economic sense (relatively speaking) when we talk about keeping something in motion for days or weeks. Incidentally, hydrogen is just one type of fuel cell. Others exist too, and that might be part of the conversation in the future as well.
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All i keep seeing is range, that is not the issue, charging times and charging infrastructure is the issue and the two are related. If it takes twice as long to charge as it does to gas up, ypu need more ev stations than we have gas stations right now.
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I feel for established mechanical engineers that have spent their careers designing engines for automakers. Not exactly sure what some of these people will do seeing that motors and batteries are a bit of a 90 degree change in required electrical expertise. I guess there's still differentials and stuff but it won't be the same for sure.
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The question is when will the vanishing act happen? No one knows exactly. It's not all doom and gloom. Design and production jobs are being created in the hardware and software EVs require. I have first hand knowledge of these developments. I do think it's a net reduction of jobs. Alot will be via attrition. Some will be via layoff/termination. It's how it is. |
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all these ev coming on the market are experiments only and in most scenarios more inconvenient than ice cars. once there is solid state battery it will get more interesting but that's in 10+ years. |
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Germany was doing that about 80 years ago...
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Plus, a gas station is a giant hole in the ground, precautions to make sure it doesn't leak into the ground, tanks, pumps, cashiers, inspections, refills, samples and testing, and all sorts of other stuff. An EV "station" is about 1000x simpler and can be almost anywhere.
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I’m pretty sure that every single gas station has electricity - whether they are independently owned or owned by one of the big oil companies, they could easily install chargers at every single gas station. They are just choosing not to at this point, but as demands change you will more starting to install them.
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Right but someone has got to build them AND someone has to replace them after a few years when new chargers are better/faster/cleaner. There's also the issue of charging time, it needs to get under 10 mins for a full charge.
Saying folks can charge when at work or home is not solving the doubt in people's mind that for a trip outside their routine they need infrastructure, hence you see a lot of EV are "2nd cars" because of this doubt. I seriously see a market 1/3rd EV, gas and hybrid. |
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Read the OP. They aren't developing *new* engines. But they will continue to adapt the existing ones. This will go on as long as necessary just as it will at BMW. Of course, since VW's stock is soaring right now on the back of their commitment to EV, competitors have to react with headlines of their own. All of this is marketing double speak. When you need to make a statement about your commitment to electric, you talk up the ICE wind-down. When you need to make a statement about not abandoning your existing customers, you talk up maintaining the status quo. None of it is news, particularly. It's more about leveraging the press to manipulate valuation. I'll try to dig up the interviews and/or press material from 2019-ish where BMW heads talk about not investing in new engine families... |
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I just thought it was curious that the tweet from a journalist regarding BMW's CEO statement generated all the press/articles as a purported "response" to Audi's statement. |
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To avoid possible confusion, I now added emphasis on "new" in the OP.
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My favorite part is Duesmann calling out the pointlessness of it all.
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Even a supercharger takes 12x as long.
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Everyone on the forums know EV and autonomous vehicles are the future. None like it but we don't make the decisions and they do not listen anyway. Also, that is a Ferrari engine inside that model Audi.
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Part of the "continue to develop ICE" is what this really means. When the 2.0T in the new model now comes with 5 additional hp, they technically continued to develop it but how many truly new ICE's has BMW had in the last 5 years? M's used to come with their own engines, that ended, V-10 went away, highly unlikely a new V8 will ever be made, I have real doubts about a new I6, just keep "developing it" (with minimal cost), maybe they come out with a new I3 or I4 but a completely new one seems unlikely.
I think BMW saying they will keep "developing" it is a great way to cater to what their customers want to hear and then Audi says they won't "develop a NEW combustion engine" - I think you will still see minor updates to existing engines and likely the wording is different but reality is close to the same. I doubt BMW or Audi will come out with all new engines but both will continue to update them with minimal cost to do it.
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