[javapro]

Originally Posted by Macphisto

Is the Neue Klasse X a replacement for the iX? Would they exist side by side?

Neue Klasse X is the future iX3. As per the original post, iX will end production on 6/28 and the new iX3 will start production on 7/25. So, there will be some overlap with both iX and iX3 being in production at the same time.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by i4M50Guy

Your bladder won’t last 400/500/600 miles anyway! Charging infrastructure is so much better now (outside the US at least) that we don’t need massive battery range.

People say this but a restroom break takes about 5 minutes. I have first hand experience because I drive long distances regularly for work and don’t waste valuable time stopping for extended periods. EVs simply aren’t ideal (or even good) for long trips.

[i4M50Guy]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

People say this but a restroom break takes about 5 minutes. I have first hand experience because I drive long distances regularly for work and don’t waste valuable time stopping for extended periods. EVs simply aren’t ideal (or even good) for long trips.

So you’re admitting to driving long distances with only 5 minute breaks? Most countries that wouldn’t be legal. Hope you don’t drive an HGV!

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by i4M50Guy

So you’re admitting to driving long distances with only 5 minute breaks? Most countries that wouldn’t be legal. Hope you don’t drive an HGV!

I am. I even might drive from NYC to Miami in one shot when swapping drivers! A vehicle that can’t keep up is simply going to waste too much time; and time is money when you’re driving for work.
I’m not even talking about the occasional trip when we’re pulling a trailer…

[TXSchnee]

To those worrying about range. The iX is an expensive vehicle to begin with, I would assume if you can afford $80-$100k vehicle, you can afford to own a second vehicle, or rent one when travelling. EVs are never going to work for everyone, but they will absolutely work for 80% of the population, while a PHEV will work for the other 20%.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by i4M50Guy

So you’re admitting to driving long distances with only 5 minute breaks? Most countries that wouldn’t be legal. Hope you don’t drive an HGV!

One time we drove from Atlanta to sea island, and even with 3 girls we didn’t stop- 330 miles, 5.5 hours. In the Tesla we would have stopped twice according to the trip planner and inefficient at those speeds (average 75 mph). Usually we stop twice for a bathroom break at Sbux - if there was a charger there it would be perfect. But the Tesla chargers - and I assume EA chargers - are a half mile away or not there at all, and we have no interest in dealing with that. Besides it’s just not that efficient driving on the highway so defeats the purpose of saving $ with gas at $4/gallon (premium). We’d probably average 350 wh/mi or 2.85 mi/kWh so for a 330 mile trip that’s 115 kWh x .30/kWh = $35. Gas @ 26 mpg is $50. Saving $30 round trip for the headache? No thanks

[Norbimmer]

I recently switched to an iX50 from a G05 and made the first ski trip in absolutely peak season and the worst possible week when it comes to people travelling to the ski resorts and with a rather high rate of EVs.
I was genuinly worried the 330 mile trip would turn into a 10 hour charging nightmare. We were travelling 5 people, full cargo and ski box.
The iX was great, range sufficient and charging was not a problem, we were really pleasantly surprised.
Current EVs like the iX absoluteley work as long as the charging infrastructure is there, i.e. no waiting times at charging points, reasonable distance between them. Give it a few years and we will have 500 mile range, better charging infrastructure, faster charging and very few people can argue that an EV will not work for them.
As much as I love an ICE and they are still more convienient on long trips, EVs do work and for daily driving they are actually better in many ways.

[Zachp13]

I do quite a few 300+ plus mile trips and for the most parts haven’t had too many issues. The issues with longer trips I’ve had is that while my initial charge has been averaging around 270 miles( winter/snow tires) is that when you arrive at a charger it may be full and now you have a 30+ plus minute wait to even start charging. That if you lucky the 30 minutes of charging only gets you to 80% and it’s like another 45 minutes to get you to 100%. Obviously more chargers would help or if 80% got 300 miles or a much flatter charging curve.


Oh and just for context I live in Tahoe so dealing with cold temps and feet of snow consistently.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Zachp13

The issues with longer trips … is that when you arrive at a charger it may be full and now you have a 30+ plus minute wait to even start charging.

This would drive me crazy. Once the NACS standard is in the iX and Tesla opens its superchargers, these headaches for you all will be over. I’ve never once had to wait for a supercharger, and now the car tells you how many superchargers are available when you arrive given who is en route. And almost everyone puts the SC into Nav to properly warm the battery for charging at a faster rate, so it takes any anxiety away.

[Windshieldfarmer]

Originally Posted by ggalanis

What i see from the bmwblog article is that they are saying 700+ km for the new equivalent of the ix50 ...on the wltp cycle. The current one has 608 km (or 600+ as marketing would write it) on the wltp cycle.... So expect about a max 15% increase in range. 10% in real conditions is more likely.

If additional range comes to fruition as outlined above, it would add make another IX more attractive to me when my lease ends in a few years, especially if it includes 800v architecture. Like several others on this forum, I think range and battery technology improvements will occur incrementally over a number of years.

[antzcrashing]

Wen pictures

[M340I///M]

Originally Posted by B530e

Both my current BMW’s have iconic glow and I love it. I’m excited to see it on the iX

I agree! I have the iconic glow grille on my 21’ M340i. Definitely excited to see it on the IX

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

This would drive me crazy. Once the NACS standard is in the iX and Tesla opens its superchargers, these headaches for you all will be over. I’ve never once had to wait for a supercharger, and now the car tells you how many superchargers are available when you arrive given who is en route. And almost everyone puts the SC into Nav to properly warm the battery for charging at a faster rate, so it takes any anxiety away.

As they get more and more non Tesla branded vehicles, they actually can't properly show how many stalls are actually free because at least some of THE CCS converts need to take the equivalent of 2 Tesla spots due to the short cable. So they might think that 2 of 10 stalls are available but in reality they may be blocked by 2 CCS cars.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Added following I20 iX LCI lineup / info to the Future BMW Info Thread
[*]Adds Iconic Glow kidneys (of course), many new wheel choices.[/LIST]

..curious, if one has a car with "iconic glow" does one have the option to turn it off?

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

One time we drove from Atlanta to sea island, and even with 3 girls we didn’t stop- 330 miles, 5.5 hours. In the Tesla we would have stopped twice according to the trip planner and inefficient at those speeds (average 75 mph). Usually we stop twice for a bathroom break at Sbux - if there was a charger there it would be perfect. But the Tesla chargers - and I assume EA chargers - are a half mile away or not there at all, and we have no interest in dealing with that. Besides it’s just not that efficient driving on the highway so defeats the purpose of saving $ with gas at $4/gallon (premium). We’d probably average 350 wh/mi or 2.85 mi/kWh so for a 330 mile trip that’s 115 kWh x .30/kWh = $35. Gas @ 26 mpg is $50. Saving $30 round trip for the headache? No thanks

Compared to the Teslas, the ix and i4 easily beat their EPA ranges even while driving 70 MPH. And the i7 was one of the top performers at 75mph in the Car And Driver test.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Compared to the Teslas, the ix and i4 easily beat their EPA ranges even while driving 70 MPH. And the i7 was one of the top performers at 75mph in the Car And Driver test.

So the iX gets 70 more miles of range than a model X @ 70 mph. Now just need a third row and more storage (like a fronk), NACS & SC access and we’ll be all set! Until then X7 it is.

[liquidator4711]

The x7 has a frunk?

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by liquidator4711

The x7 has a frunk?

The model X does. That was the comparison. It also has a 3rd row.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by ricerboi

You can’t really take the 400-600 miles at face value. As someone who’s at 52k miles through 19 months of iX 50 ownership with a claimed 320 miles of range, I’m getting 240-260 highway range (100% to 1%) during SoCal spring-fall, and down to 150-190 miles (no HVAC) during long winter road trips. If you’re taking a 30-40% hit on that claimed range in “worst-case” winters, 400-600 miles will become 240-360 winter miles which is more reasonable.

The real solution will be a compromise, which is smaller battery/lower weight to yield probably 375-425 claimed miles. 800V charging is good futureproofing but from my extensive EA charging experience all over the West Coast and into the mountain regions, it won’t make a huge difference.

By the way, I had a i4 M50 as a loaner and WOW that was fun. Can’t wait for that i4M or even i5M if quad motor is where they’re going with this!

I’m in New England, and not even once I went down to 150-190 miles range. If what you’re saying is true, there’s a specific problem with your car. I don’t think I can average 1.5 mi/kwh on a road trip even if I try… I drove to Vermont and back, in the middle of winter, temp in single digits and low teens, highway speeds, Ive still averaged over 2.2. The coldest month of the year was February in Boston area, and even in February I’ve averaged 2.6 mi/kwh, (as seen below) which is over 270 miles range. And I was averaging 3.2-3.3 mls/kwh in fall, which is more than 330 miles range. 320 miles claimed range is actually way underrated by BMW, as I was able to hit 340 miles range on multiple occasions in fall, and recently this month, when temps when up to 55-60... And my 2023 average consumption is 2.9 mi/kw, (September to EOY) which corresponds to around 300 miles range. So your numbers are really weird.

[thebishman]

Originally Posted by Zachp13

I do quite a few 300+ plus mile trips and for the most parts haven’t had too many issues. The issues with longer trips I’ve had is that while my initial charge has been averaging around 270 miles( winter/snow tires) is that when you arrive at a charger it may be full and now you have a 30+ plus minute wait to even start charging. That if you lucky the 30 minutes of charging only gets you to 80% and it’s like another 45 minutes to get you to 100%. Obviously more chargers would help or if 80% got 300 miles or a much flatter charging curve.


Oh and just for context I live in Tahoe so dealing with cold temps and feet of snow consistently.

Is there a specific reason why you would need to get to 100% SoC when traveling as it is the least efficient way, time wise, to do so.

Obviously leaving home at 100% SoC on your L2 charger prior to the trip, or 100% at your hotel prior to your return is the way to start.

[JK479]

Guessing the current ix50 is more of a lease than buy based on the battery tech coming out?

I wonder what all the off lease iX’s will go for long term…

[JK479]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

I am hoping there is a LCI i4 M50 with a HP increase to 590 at least. Considering the Model 3P will reportedly be making 600HP, BMW should at least try and keep pace.

True- the highland addressed a lot of the flaws in the refresh- I thought bmw had the upper hand but I was surprised at how nice the dual motor model was- and how much nicer the interior felt.