Introducing the 2022 BMW iX xDrive50

FrozenE92M3 · 06-07-2021, 03:14 PM

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Just tried pre ordering about 8 times with two different browsers and three different credit cards, every time it keeps failing or no confirmation is shown. Hopefully at least one of them went thru.

Haha you took an ugly turd and made it even uglier. Imagine unironically ordering this foul thing.

John-M007 · 08-16-2021, 07:31 PM

BMW will NOT Pass the $7,500 Federal Tax Credits and Incentives for New All-Electric and Plug-in Hybrid Vehicles to the customers.

If you are planning to lease a new BMW iX, i4, X3 30e, X5 45e, 330e, and 530e BMW will NOT allow you to apply for the federal tax credits.  Instead, BMW will apply for those credits and keep the money.

An average base Electric and Plug-in Hybrid BMW vehicles are about $4,000 to $10,000 dollars more expensive than your gasoline engines.  The insurance for full electric vehicles is about 15% more expensive.  The cost of installing home Level II chargers is an additional $3,000 to $5,000 dollars depending on your house and wiring.  Therefore, the intent of government was to establish tax credits to encourage consumers to purchase and/or lease these vehicles to move towards the clean air goals and objectives.
With BMW withholding the $7,500 federal tax money from the consumers, it makes no business sense for the consumer to spend anywhere from $7,000 to $15,000 dollars more than they usually do to lease a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid vehicles.  If you are a CPA, tax and financial guy/lady, you will see that leasing a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid is a major financial setback.

The only winner is the BMW who gets to fully profit from the sales of these vehicles and the tax credits.  BMW does not even provide any attractive incentives towards these vehicles.  This goes against what the intent of legislatures was to promote cleaner cars.

TCBavarian · 08-16-2021, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by John-M007

BMW will NOT Pass the $7,500 Federal Tax Credits and Incentives for New All-Electric and Plug-in Hybrid Vehicles to the customers.

If you are planning to lease a new BMW iX, i4, X3 30e, X5 45e, 330e, and 530e BMW will NOT allow you to apply for the federal tax credits.  Instead, BMW will apply for those credits and keep the money.

An average base Electric and Plug-in Hybrid BMW vehicles are about $4,000 to $10,000 dollars more expensive than your gasoline engines.  The insurance for full electric vehicles is about 15% more expensive.  The cost of installing home Level II chargers is an additional $3,000 to $5,000 dollars depending on your house and wiring.  Therefore, the intent of government was to establish tax credits to encourage consumers to purchase and/or lease these vehicles to move towards the clean air goals and objectives.
With BMW withholding the $7,500 federal tax money from the consumers, it makes no business sense for the consumer to spend anywhere from $7,000 to $15,000 dollars more than they usually do to lease a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid vehicles.  If you are a CPA, tax and financial guy/lady, you will see that leasing a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid is a major financial setback.

The only winner is the BMW who gets to fully profit from the sales of these vehicles and the tax credits.  BMW does not even provide any attractive incentives towards these vehicles.  This goes against what the intent of legislatures was to promote cleaner cars.

Called it months ago. It's been like this for 45e.

John-M007 · 08-16-2021, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

BMW will NOT Pass the $7,500 Federal Tax Credits and Incentives for New All-Electric and Plug-in Hybrid Vehicles to the customers.

If you are planning to lease a new BMW iX, i4, X3 30e, X5 45e, 330e, and 530e BMW will NOT allow you to apply for the federal tax credits.  Instead, BMW will apply for those credits and keep the money.

An average base Electric and Plug-in Hybrid BMW vehicles are about $4,000 to $10,000 dollars more expensive than your gasoline engines.  The insurance for full electric vehicles is about 15% more expensive.  The cost of installing home Level II chargers is an additional $3,000 to $5,000 dollars depending on your house and wiring.  Therefore, the intent of government was to establish tax credits to encourage consumers to purchase and/or lease these vehicles to move towards the clean air goals and objectives.
With BMW withholding the $7,500 federal tax money from the consumers, it makes no business sense for the consumer to spend anywhere from $7,000 to $15,000 dollars more than they usually do to lease a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid vehicles.  If you are a CPA, tax and financial guy/lady, you will see that leasing a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid is a major financial setback.

The only winner is the BMW who gets to fully profit from the sales of these vehicles and the tax credits.  BMW does not even provide any attractive incentives towards these vehicles.  This goes against what the intent of legislatures was to promote cleaner cars.

Called it months ago. It's been like this for 45e.

The intent of Congress and Legislatures was to encourage people go green. The intent wasn't for BMW to take advantage of people. Manufacturers already receive their fair share of tax credit for every electric car they build. The government wanted to help people to offset the outrageous electric car expense.

TCBavarian · 08-16-2021, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by John-M007

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

BMW will NOT Pass the $7,500 Federal Tax Credits and Incentives for New All-Electric and Plug-in Hybrid Vehicles to the customers.

If you are planning to lease a new BMW iX, i4, X3 30e, X5 45e, 330e, and 530e BMW will NOT allow you to apply for the federal tax credits.  Instead, BMW will apply for those credits and keep the money.

An average base Electric and Plug-in Hybrid BMW vehicles are about $4,000 to $10,000 dollars more expensive than your gasoline engines.  The insurance for full electric vehicles is about 15% more expensive.  The cost of installing home Level II chargers is an additional $3,000 to $5,000 dollars depending on your house and wiring.  Therefore, the intent of government was to establish tax credits to encourage consumers to purchase and/or lease these vehicles to move towards the clean air goals and objectives.
With BMW withholding the $7,500 federal tax money from the consumers, it makes no business sense for the consumer to spend anywhere from $7,000 to $15,000 dollars more than they usually do to lease a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid vehicles.  If you are a CPA, tax and financial guy/lady, you will see that leasing a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid is a major financial setback.

The only winner is the BMW who gets to fully profit from the sales of these vehicles and the tax credits.  BMW does not even provide any attractive incentives towards these vehicles.  This goes against what the intent of legislatures was to promote cleaner cars.

Called it months ago. It's been like this for 45e.

The intent of Congress and Legislatures was to encourage people go green. The intent wasn't for BMW to take advantage of people. Manufacturers already receive their fair share of tax credit for every electric car they build. The government wanted to help people to offset the outrageous electric car expense.

Well I think by encourage, they meant exactly what was written. A purchase. It was easy for us. Go green and make a purchase. If the consumer wants to put the depreciation risk on BMWFS and lease that's fair. But I wouldn't have any expectation that they MUST give the leasee the rebate. BMWFS is the purchaser and therefore they get the rebate. We leased our i3 and got the 7500 so I understand some people's frustration, but it is what it is.

John-M007 · 08-16-2021, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

BMW will NOT Pass the $7,500 Federal Tax Credits and Incentives for New All-Electric and Plug-in Hybrid Vehicles to the customers.

If you are planning to lease a new BMW iX, i4, X3 30e, X5 45e, 330e, and 530e BMW will NOT allow you to apply for the federal tax credits.  Instead, BMW will apply for those credits and keep the money.

An average base Electric and Plug-in Hybrid BMW vehicles are about $4,000 to $10,000 dollars more expensive than your gasoline engines.  The insurance for full electric vehicles is about 15% more expensive.  The cost of installing home Level II chargers is an additional $3,000 to $5,000 dollars depending on your house and wiring.  Therefore, the intent of government was to establish tax credits to encourage consumers to purchase and/or lease these vehicles to move towards the clean air goals and objectives.
With BMW withholding the $7,500 federal tax money from the consumers, it makes no business sense for the consumer to spend anywhere from $7,000 to $15,000 dollars more than they usually do to lease a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid vehicles.  If you are a CPA, tax and financial guy/lady, you will see that leasing a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid is a major financial setback.

The only winner is the BMW who gets to fully profit from the sales of these vehicles and the tax credits.  BMW does not even provide any attractive incentives towards these vehicles.  This goes against what the intent of legislatures was to promote cleaner cars.

Called it months ago. It's been like this for 45e.

The intent of Congress and Legislatures was to encourage people go green. The intent wasn't for BMW to take advantage of people. Manufacturers already receive their fair share of tax credit for every electric car they build. The government wanted to help people to offset the outrageous electric car expense.

Well I think by encourage, they meant exactly what was written. A purchase. It was easy for us. Go green and make a purchase. If the consumer wants to put the depreciation risk on BMWFS and lease that's fair. But I wouldn't have any expectation that they MUST give the leasee the rebate. BMWFS is the purchaser and therefore they get the rebate. We leased our i3 and got the 7500 so I understand some people's frustration, but it is what it is.

The intent of the law was for the consumer as a form of incentive and balancing the excessive cost of electric vehicle. Most auto manufacturers pass the $7,500 federal tax credit to the client as a form of lower monthly payments. When a manufacturer takes the consumer's intented credit away, then why would the consumer want to get an electric car? The government give both the manufacturers and the consumer the credit. BMW taking both it goes against the intent of the law and the good faith effort of the intent, taking advantage of the consumer, leaving consumers dry. There is a lot of moral and ethical issues with this.

TCBavarian · 08-16-2021, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by John-M007

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

BMW will NOT Pass the $7,500 Federal Tax Credits and Incentives for New All-Electric and Plug-in Hybrid Vehicles to the customers.

If you are planning to lease a new BMW iX, i4, X3 30e, X5 45e, 330e, and 530e BMW will NOT allow you to apply for the federal tax credits.  Instead, BMW will apply for those credits and keep the money.

An average base Electric and Plug-in Hybrid BMW vehicles are about $4,000 to $10,000 dollars more expensive than your gasoline engines.  The insurance for full electric vehicles is about 15% more expensive.  The cost of installing home Level II chargers is an additional $3,000 to $5,000 dollars depending on your house and wiring.  Therefore, the intent of government was to establish tax credits to encourage consumers to purchase and/or lease these vehicles to move towards the clean air goals and objectives.
With BMW withholding the $7,500 federal tax money from the consumers, it makes no business sense for the consumer to spend anywhere from $7,000 to $15,000 dollars more than they usually do to lease a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid vehicles.  If you are a CPA, tax and financial guy/lady, you will see that leasing a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid is a major financial setback.

The only winner is the BMW who gets to fully profit from the sales of these vehicles and the tax credits.  BMW does not even provide any attractive incentives towards these vehicles.  This goes against what the intent of legislatures was to promote cleaner cars.

Called it months ago. It's been like this for 45e.

The intent of Congress and Legislatures was to encourage people go green. The intent wasn't for BMW to take advantage of people. Manufacturers already receive their fair share of tax credit for every electric car they build. The government wanted to help people to offset the outrageous electric car expense.

Well I think by encourage, they meant exactly what was written. A purchase. It was easy for us. Go green and make a purchase. If the consumer wants to put the depreciation risk on BMWFS and lease that's fair. But I wouldn't have any expectation that they MUST give the leasee the rebate. BMWFS is the purchaser and therefore they get the rebate. We leased our i3 and got the 7500 so I understand some people's frustration, but it is what it is.

The intent of the law was for the consumer as a form of incentive and balancing the excessive cost of electric vehicle. Most auto manufacturers pass the $7,500 federal tax credit to the client as a form of lower monthly payments. When a manufacturer takes the consumer's intented credit away, then why would the consumer want to get an electric car? The government give both the manufacturers and the consumer the credit. BMW taking both it goes against the intent of the law and the good faith effort of the intent, taking advantage of the consumer, leaving consumers dry. There is a lot of moral and ethical issues with this.

Purchase the vehicle

John-M007 · 08-16-2021, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

BMW will NOT Pass the $7,500 Federal Tax Credits and Incentives for New All-Electric and Plug-in Hybrid Vehicles to the customers.

If you are planning to lease a new BMW iX, i4, X3 30e, X5 45e, 330e, and 530e BMW will NOT allow you to apply for the federal tax credits.  Instead, BMW will apply for those credits and keep the money.

An average base Electric and Plug-in Hybrid BMW vehicles are about $4,000 to $10,000 dollars more expensive than your gasoline engines.  The insurance for full electric vehicles is about 15% more expensive.  The cost of installing home Level II chargers is an additional $3,000 to $5,000 dollars depending on your house and wiring.  Therefore, the intent of government was to establish tax credits to encourage consumers to purchase and/or lease these vehicles to move towards the clean air goals and objectives.
With BMW withholding the $7,500 federal tax money from the consumers, it makes no business sense for the consumer to spend anywhere from $7,000 to $15,000 dollars more than they usually do to lease a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid vehicles.  If you are a CPA, tax and financial guy/lady, you will see that leasing a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid is a major financial setback.

The only winner is the BMW who gets to fully profit from the sales of these vehicles and the tax credits.  BMW does not even provide any attractive incentives towards these vehicles.  This goes against what the intent of legislatures was to promote cleaner cars.

Called it months ago. It's been like this for 45e.

The intent of Congress and Legislatures was to encourage people go green. The intent wasn't for BMW to take advantage of people. Manufacturers already receive their fair share of tax credit for every electric car they build. The government wanted to help people to offset the outrageous electric car expense.

Well I think by encourage, they meant exactly what was written. A purchase. It was easy for us. Go green and make a purchase. If the consumer wants to put the depreciation risk on BMWFS and lease that's fair. But I wouldn't have any expectation that they MUST give the leasee the rebate. BMWFS is the purchaser and therefore they get the rebate. We leased our i3 and got the 7500 so I understand some people's frustration, but it is what it is.

The intent of the law was for the consumer as a form of incentive and balancing the excessive cost of electric vehicle. Most auto manufacturers pass the $7,500 federal tax credit to the client as a form of lower monthly payments. When a manufacturer takes the consumer's intented credit away, then why would the consumer want to get an electric car? The government give both the manufacturers and the consumer the credit. BMW taking both it goes against the intent of the law and the good faith effort of the intent, taking advantage of the consumer, leaving consumers dry. There is a lot of moral and ethical issues with this.

Purchase the vehicle

Your response is neither logical nor ethical. How much BMW is paying you? The law is clear.

TCBavarian · 08-16-2021, 08:31 PM

Penguino · 08-16-2021, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by John-M007

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

BMW will NOT Pass the $7,500 Federal Tax Credits and Incentives for New All-Electric and Plug-in Hybrid Vehicles to the customers.

If you are planning to lease a new BMW iX, i4, X3 30e, X5 45e, 330e, and 530e BMW will NOT allow you to apply for the federal tax credits.  Instead, BMW will apply for those credits and keep the money.

An average base Electric and Plug-in Hybrid BMW vehicles are about $4,000 to $10,000 dollars more expensive than your gasoline engines.  The insurance for full electric vehicles is about 15% more expensive.  The cost of installing home Level II chargers is an additional $3,000 to $5,000 dollars depending on your house and wiring.  Therefore, the intent of government was to establish tax credits to encourage consumers to purchase and/or lease these vehicles to move towards the clean air goals and objectives.
With BMW withholding the $7,500 federal tax money from the consumers, it makes no business sense for the consumer to spend anywhere from $7,000 to $15,000 dollars more than they usually do to lease a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid vehicles.  If you are a CPA, tax and financial guy/lady, you will see that leasing a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid is a major financial setback.

The only winner is the BMW who gets to fully profit from the sales of these vehicles and the tax credits.  BMW does not even provide any attractive incentives towards these vehicles.  This goes against what the intent of legislatures was to promote cleaner cars.

Called it months ago. It's been like this for 45e.

The intent of Congress and Legislatures was to encourage people go green. The intent wasn't for BMW to take advantage of people. Manufacturers already receive their fair share of tax credit for every electric car they build. The government wanted to help people to offset the outrageous electric car expense.

Well I think by encourage, they meant exactly what was written. A purchase. It was easy for us. Go green and make a purchase. If the consumer wants to put the depreciation risk on BMWFS and lease that's fair. But I wouldn't have any expectation that they MUST give the leasee the rebate. BMWFS is the purchaser and therefore they get the rebate. We leased our i3 and got the 7500 so I understand some people's frustration, but it is what it is.

The intent of the law was for the consumer as a form of incentive and balancing the excessive cost of electric vehicle. Most auto manufacturers pass the $7,500 federal tax credit to the client as a form of lower monthly payments. When a manufacturer takes the consumer's intented credit away, then why would the consumer want to get an electric car? The government give both the manufacturers and the consumer the credit. BMW taking both it goes against the intent of the law and the good faith effort of the intent, taking advantage of the consumer, leaving consumers dry. There is a lot of moral and ethical issues with this.

It's not rocket science. Stop trying to complicate things.

Want the credit? Buy the vehicle.

John-M007 · 08-16-2021, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguino

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Originally Posted by John-M007

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

BMW will NOT Pass the $7,500 Federal Tax Credits and Incentives for New All-Electric and Plug-in Hybrid Vehicles to the customers.

If you are planning to lease a new BMW iX, i4, X3 30e, X5 45e, 330e, and 530e BMW will NOT allow you to apply for the federal tax credits.  Instead, BMW will apply for those credits and keep the money.

An average base Electric and Plug-in Hybrid BMW vehicles are about $4,000 to $10,000 dollars more expensive than your gasoline engines.  The insurance for full electric vehicles is about 15% more expensive.  The cost of installing home Level II chargers is an additional $3,000 to $5,000 dollars depending on your house and wiring.  Therefore, the intent of government was to establish tax credits to encourage consumers to purchase and/or lease these vehicles to move towards the clean air goals and objectives.
With BMW withholding the $7,500 federal tax money from the consumers, it makes no business sense for the consumer to spend anywhere from $7,000 to $15,000 dollars more than they usually do to lease a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid vehicles.  If you are a CPA, tax and financial guy/lady, you will see that leasing a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid is a major financial setback.

The only winner is the BMW who gets to fully profit from the sales of these vehicles and the tax credits.  BMW does not even provide any attractive incentives towards these vehicles.  This goes against what the intent of legislatures was to promote cleaner cars.

Called it months ago. It's been like this for 45e.

The intent of Congress and Legislatures was to encourage people go green. The intent wasn't for BMW to take advantage of people. Manufacturers already receive their fair share of tax credit for every electric car they build. The government wanted to help people to offset the outrageous electric car expense.

Well I think by encourage, they meant exactly what was written. A purchase. It was easy for us. Go green and make a purchase. If the consumer wants to put the depreciation risk on BMWFS and lease that's fair. But I wouldn't have any expectation that they MUST give the leasee the rebate. BMWFS is the purchaser and therefore they get the rebate. We leased our i3 and got the 7500 so I understand some people's frustration, but it is what it is.

The intent of the law was for the consumer as a form of incentive and balancing the excessive cost of electric vehicle. Most auto manufacturers pass the $7,500 federal tax credit to the client as a form of lower monthly payments. When a manufacturer takes the consumer's intented credit away, then why would the consumer want to get an electric car? The government give both the manufacturers and the consumer the credit. BMW taking both it goes against the intent of the law and the good faith effort of the intent, taking advantage of the consumer, leaving consumers dry. There is a lot of moral and ethical issues with this.

It's not rocket science. Stop trying to complicate things.

Want the credit? Buy the vehicle.

By law, they must pass the credit to the consumer as it was intended. It is not complicated. They need to do the right thing. They are double dipping.

TCBavarian · 08-16-2021, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by John-M007

By law, they must pass the credit to the consumer as it was intended. It is not complicated. They need to do the right thing. They are double dipping.

"By law, they must pass the credit to the consumer"

You keep stating this. Show us where. I've read the law and there is no such language. Language is everything in law.

nosnoop · 08-16-2021, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by John-M007

By law, they must pass the credit to the consumer as it was intended. It is not complicated. They need to do the right thing. They are double dipping.

There should also be law against spamming in forums, Geez.

patbrass · 08-16-2021, 10:30 PM

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There should also be law against spamming in forums, Geez.

This forum has been a bit stale so I was excited to see some fresh replies on multiple threads...just to realize it was the same annoying copy/pasted whining on like 5 different threads!

nosnoop · 08-16-2021, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by patbrass

This forum has been a bit stale so I was excited to see some fresh replies on multiple threads...just to realize it was the same annoying copy/pasted whining on like 5 different threads!

He actually posted this in 20 different threads in different sub-forums.

Penguino · 08-17-2021, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by John-M007

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Originally Posted by John-M007

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Originally Posted by TCBavarian

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Originally Posted by John-M007

BMW will NOT Pass the $7,500 Federal Tax Credits and Incentives for New All-Electric and Plug-in Hybrid Vehicles to the customers.

If you are planning to lease a new BMW iX, i4, X3 30e, X5 45e, 330e, and 530e BMW will NOT allow you to apply for the federal tax credits.  Instead, BMW will apply for those credits and keep the money.

An average base Electric and Plug-in Hybrid BMW vehicles are about $4,000 to $10,000 dollars more expensive than your gasoline engines.  The insurance for full electric vehicles is about 15% more expensive.  The cost of installing home Level II chargers is an additional $3,000 to $5,000 dollars depending on your house and wiring.  Therefore, the intent of government was to establish tax credits to encourage consumers to purchase and/or lease these vehicles to move towards the clean air goals and objectives.
With BMW withholding the $7,500 federal tax money from the consumers, it makes no business sense for the consumer to spend anywhere from $7,000 to $15,000 dollars more than they usually do to lease a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid vehicles.  If you are a CPA, tax and financial guy/lady, you will see that leasing a BMW Electric and Plug-in Hybrid is a major financial setback.

The only winner is the BMW who gets to fully profit from the sales of these vehicles and the tax credits.  BMW does not even provide any attractive incentives towards these vehicles.  This goes against what the intent of legislatures was to promote cleaner cars.

Called it months ago. It's been like this for 45e.

The intent of Congress and Legislatures was to encourage people go green. The intent wasn't for BMW to take advantage of people. Manufacturers already receive their fair share of tax credit for every electric car they build. The government wanted to help people to offset the outrageous electric car expense.

Well I think by encourage, they meant exactly what was written. A purchase. It was easy for us. Go green and make a purchase. If the consumer wants to put the depreciation risk on BMWFS and lease that's fair. But I wouldn't have any expectation that they MUST give the leasee the rebate. BMWFS is the purchaser and therefore they get the rebate. We leased our i3 and got the 7500 so I understand some people's frustration, but it is what it is.

The intent of the law was for the consumer as a form of incentive and balancing the excessive cost of electric vehicle. Most auto manufacturers pass the $7,500 federal tax credit to the client as a form of lower monthly payments. When a manufacturer takes the consumer's intented credit away, then why would the consumer want to get an electric car? The government give both the manufacturers and the consumer the credit. BMW taking both it goes against the intent of the law and the good faith effort of the intent, taking advantage of the consumer, leaving consumers dry. There is a lot of moral and ethical issues with this.

It's not rocket science. Stop trying to complicate things.

Want the credit? Buy the vehicle.

By law, they must pass the credit to the consumer as it was intended. It is not complicated. They need to do the right thing. They are double dipping.

By law, BMW owns the vehicle. They are the title holder.

If you think it's ilegal, sue them and let us know the results.

CatSpare · 08-24-2022, 12:13 PM

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JK479 · 08-27-2022, 08:24 AM

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I got the chance to see this thing in person. It's as ugly as in the pictures, and it feels cheap thanks to lots of plastic everywhere. The seats are huge, and the overall interior design feels like a van. It's priced like an X5, but it feels like a Skoda.

Curious if it's grown on you now that the x7 was revealed.

Paladin1 · 08-27-2022, 09:08 AM

The point is now moot. Virtually none of BMW's electric vehicles will qualify for any tax incentives, purchased or otherwise.

Bornagain73 · 08-28-2022, 09:09 PM

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The point is now moot. Virtually none of BMW's electric vehicles will qualify for any tax incentives, purchased or otherwise.

So cars purchase before the signing went in effect are protected?

Paladin1 · 08-28-2022, 09:55 PM

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So cars purchase before the signing went in effect are protected?

Correct, prior to 16 August, depending on the definition of "purchased." Check written, loan approved and driven off the lot, definitely. Bill of sale, binding agreement with 5% down, delivery pending, probably. Non-refundable $1,000 deposit, maybe. Ordered, in some stage of manufacture, in transit, at the port with no obligation to buy, likely not. Depends on what the IRS requires before next April, and that seems to be in flux.

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