[Killed by Death]

"Grave error made during the increasingly questionable reign of Mattia Binotto" ~Ralf

Clown Binotto that is

Steiner & Ferrari get crushed too. Ralf has been quite right lately.

https://www.grandprix247.com/2021/08...-towards-mick/

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

No by-lines. An assemblage of quotes by disembodied people adding connectors as they feel to form a narrative. Not journalism. Not valid information. A blog.

I'm sure if they weren't qualified to a certain degree then they wouldn't be working as F1 journos.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Negative mate .

TorpedoBOT pulled his steering wheel first to the left side towards the Red Bulls .
Then this Pic shows the broken suspension and wheel control arms .

It's so 'Typical for you "Mercedes Preachers" , you just ignore to see it !

In the last 2 races :
3 Red Bulls cars are rammed off track .
3 HONDA Spec-2 PU's are wrecked and have to be replaced , followed by a grid penalty !
The Cause ?

#MercedesBlitzKriegTorpedoes !

The idiot 77 should be thrown out of F1 for the rest of the season, two massive shunts causing millions of dollars worth of damage makes him a liability.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The idiot 77 should be thrown out of F1 for the rest of the season, two massive shunts causing millions of dollars worth of damage makes him a liability.

Was the idiot child thrown out when he did more of this for years?

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'm sure if they weren't qualified to a certain degree then they wouldn't be working as F1 journos.

So you're guessing that they are correct, accurate and honest in their reporting when they don't sign their names...

Got it.

[GuidoK]

I wonder if VER caused that much $$ damage in his past. Certainly if you only count the crashes where he got penalty points for (as that sets who's to blame).
Most of the crashes where VER recieved penalty where relative light touches. Most damage was to his own car or his teammates (RIC) car.

Hungaroring sure was an expensive one... 3 cars with heavy damage (4 if you count BOT car too).
And of course BOT also isn't free from causing crashes in the rest of his career.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

So you're guessing that they are correct, accurate and honest in their reporting when they don't sign their names...

Got it.

Last I saw they had names

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I doubt VER caused that much $$ damage in his past. Certainly if you only count the crashes where he got penalty points for.
Hungaroring sure was an expensive one...

You can't be serious.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Was the idiot child thrown out when he did more of this for years?

So this is what, some kind of revenge from Merc?

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Last I saw they had names

I just read 4 articles from today and there isn't a single "by-line". It's as a previously described. An assemblage of quotes from multiple sources with connectors added. It isn't a source to be trusted or used as a valid reference. And that isn't "business-speak."

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I just read 4 articles from today and there isn't a single "by-line". It's as a previously described. An assemblage of quotes from multiple sources with connectors added. It isn't a source to be trusted or used as a valid reference. And that isn't "business-speak."

I wasn't going to say 'biz speak here, anyway sometimes such news has to go through one or two sources ..for example if one journo has info and another hasn't then naturally camaraderie plays a part, it's how the world goes around

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

You can't be serious.

Yes I am.
Verstappen got penalty points (so blame) for the following crashes:
according to https://f1.fandom.com/wiki/Penalty_points
2015 monaco GP (0:24):
crash with grosjean, mainly totalling his own car (he hits the barrier hard):

2017 hungarian GP (0:24):
slight touch to his teammate RIC, damaging the cooler in the side pod:

2018 Chinese GP (0:02):
VER and VET collide in a slow corner. Slight touch and both can continue

2018 Italan GP (3:55):

VER and BOT collide. rear wheels touch. no real damage, both continue and score points.

So these are the damages VER is to blame for.
The crash with Groshean was the heaviest. Don't know the damage to GRO car, but VER car was probably scrap (at least the full front and monocoque)

The rest are race incidents as far as the FIA is concerned or the other party was at fault.

And I think the combined $$ damage from these crashes is less than the BOT hungaroring crash. Certainly if you substract damage to VER car in the crashes he caused.

[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

"Grave error made during the increasingly questionable reign of Mattia Binotto" ~Ralf

Clown Binotto that is

Steiner & Ferrari get crushed too. Ralf has been quite right lately.

I always thought Steiner would look good in a RBR shirt

[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Y
The rest are race incidents as far as the FIA is concerned or the other party was at fault.

The factor that you haven't considered is that FIA has changed rules considerably because of MAX. (moving under braking etc.)
He would have FAR more penalty points for his career under current regs.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

He would have

woulda...?

Either you're breaking a rule and get penalty points or you're not.
Racing is done within the then applicable rules

[inTgr8r]

You seem to be considering penalty points as an absolute metric.
They definitely are not.
While the rules are finite, there are many variables in the application of them, not the least of which is the human element.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Yes I am.
Verstappen got penalty points (so blame) for the following crashes:
according to https://f1.fandom.com/wiki/Penalty_points
2015 monaco GP (0:24):
crash with grosjean, mainly totalling his own car (he hits the barrier hard):

2017 hungarian GP (0:24):
slight touch to his teammate RIC, damaging the cooler in the side pod:

2018 Chinese GP (0:02):
VER and VET collide in a slow corner. Slight touch and both can continue

2018 Italan GP (3:55):

VER and BOT collide. rear wheels touch. no real damage, both continue and score points.

So these are the damages VER is to blame for.
The crash with Groshean was the heaviest. Don't know the damage to GRO car, but VER car was probably scrap (at least the full front and monocoque)

The rest are race incidents as far as the FIA is concerned or the other party was at fault.

And I think the combined $$ damage from these crashes is less than the BOT hungaroring crash. Certainly if you substract damage to VER car in the crashes he caused.

It isn't just points and penalties. It's the carnage he's caused all together. Remember...they changed the rules on driving standards in the braking zone because of the BS he did with multiple moves. He still does it on occasion but the behavior has been normalized so he isn't called on very often. He drives like a karter...not a WDC.

He has a very low racing IQ and goes red mist when approaching another car. No long-term thought processes in evidence. Look at the OCO incident.

This is an excerpt from an opinion piece which appears in Silver Arrows dot net. It clearly delineates the differences in similar circumstances between Sir Lewis and Max. Read without your Max lenses on and only look at the circumstances of engagement. Please read them both and answer the question at the end.

http://www.silverarrows.net/opinions...G2vTNd4FtwPCmE

Hamilton vs. Verstappen at the British Grand Prix

Lewis’ battle with Max at the beginning of the British Grand Prix demonstrated that, no matter what else happens in the 2021 season, the seven-time champion will always have an advantage over the Dutch driver. And I’m not talking about racecraft or who was right or wrong in this instance, I’m talking about the differences in approach, which in part stem from a difference in experience.

Lewis Hamilton entered the British Grand Prix with a 32 points deficit to Verstappen. It was a race he had to win, or at least finish ahead of Max. When the two collided on Lap 1 of the race, Lewis, who would usually back down if the move is too risky, had no choice but to go for it. And it wasn’t an instinctive move, Lewis knew what he was doing. He needed to finish ahead of Verstappen, and the risk/reward ratio leaned heavily toward the reward side at this point.

In the case of Max, he had a comfortable lead in the championship. Even if he thought he was in the right when entering a risky situation, he could have afforded to concede the position, because the risk was too great. Even a P2 finish would have left him firmly at the top of the standings. What do you think Lewis would have done if he was in Max’s position?

We all know what happened then, both drivers risked a DNF as a collision was inevitable. Unfortunately for Max he was the one that lost everything and saw his lead in the championship diminish to just eight points. He could have easily lived on to fight another day.

Hamilton vs. Alonso at the Hungarian Grand Prix

This brings us to Hamilton’s battle with Alonso in Hungary, and the Spanish driver’s ‘moment of glory’. On Lap 32 of 69 Lewis found himself in P5, behind two-time world champion Fernando Alonso, who was in a significantly slower Alpine, on a track on which it is notoriously difficult to overtake.

Lewis’ main championship rival Max Verstappen was running in P10 at the time. If Hamilton remained in P5, while Max remained in P10, Lewis would still regain the championship lead.

Fernando Alonso had decided to make the overtake as difficult as possible and he proceeded to swerve around the track and do everything in his power to keep Lewis behind. There were several close encounters between the two drivers, which didn’t lead to a collision only because Lewis backed out. And why did Lewis back out, when he didn’t a race earlier with Verstappen? Because this time Alonso had nothing to lose, and Lewis had everything to lose.

You see, through his experience and common sense, Lewis knew that if he ended up in the gravel while battling Alonso, he would lose a perfect opportunity to regain the lead in the championship and go into the summer break with a big psychological advantage. It would be worth more for Lewis at that point to finish in P5 than to not finish at all.

This is why Alonso’s ‘glorious accomplishment’ of holding up Lewis for several laps actually means nothing. Lewis was ready to concede at any point if the manoeuvre seemed too risky. A man with everything to lose was fighting a man with nothing to lose. What do you think Max would have done if he was in Lewis’ position?

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

You seem to be considering penalty points as an absolute metric.
They definitely are not.

The FIA are the appointed referee for F1.
And this is you they do it.

But as usual some HAM fanboy on some forum knows better than the FIA...
No surprises here....

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Philippe, you're an engineer. There are pictures with that wheel at multiple angles. This isn't evidence...it's propaganda. Look at the right-hand wheel. It is straight.

C'mon, my friend. End this narrative and be the F1 fan I know you can be.

Yes . The topic is still hot and unseen ! It's the daily F1 discussion ...

Yes I am ,and as you know I have Japanese engineers at the company .
The Japanese having colleagues engineers at HONDA Japan .
That's why I have the latest HONDA information .

BOT's telemetry has showed that he pulled his steering wheel to the left before the impact !
That's why BOT's FIA infringement stated : "Causing an avoidable collision" in Turn 1 from car 77

BOT's visibility was just fine . There wasn't spray on the track (as you can see)
Of course he knew Turn 1 was there . He was 100% aware of the situation .
BOT is always a very cautious driver . And suddenly he was the suicide Kamikaze ?
95 % chance , It was done intentionally ! Period .

[hellrotm]

Typical save the planet hypocrite.

After pledging long ago to go green and only drive electric cars. Hamilton is recorded driving his Zonda in Monaco.

https://blog.dupontregistry.com/cele...-lh-in-monaco/

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yes . The topic is still hot and unseen ! It's the daily F1 discussion ...

Yes I am ,and as you know I have Japanese engineers at the company .
The Japanese having colleagues engineers at HONDA Japan .
That's why I have the latest HONDA information .

BOT's telemetry has showed that he pulled his steering wheel to the left before the impact !
That's why BOT's FIA infringement stated : "Causing an avoidable collision" in Turn 1 from car 77

BOT's visibility was just fine . There wasn't spray on the track (as you can see)
Of course he knew Turn 1 was there . He was 100% aware of the situation .
BOT is always a very cautious driver . And suddenly he was the suicide Kamikaze ?
95 % chance , It was done intentionally ! Period .

This.
Steering to the left lining up the RB's for the hits ! Dirty criminal BOT !!!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I wasn't going to say 'biz speak here, anyway sometimes such news has to go through one or two sources ..for example if one journo has info and another hasn't then naturally camaraderie plays a part, it's how the world goes around

According Red Bull and Ferrari :

Mercedes is running a special cooling system in the engine plenum.
It was used in Silverstone and at the Hungaroring . That's why the Mercs are suddenly faster in combination with a new floor and other aero upgrades !
And Mercedes still runs with the flexible front wing !

Of course the Merc's are running cooler now with the new cooling system . In the moments when it is used , it is messing with the fuel flow sensors !
It shows like the Merc is running through a cold-start cycle , and more fuel flows through the fuel injectors .
As we know (we aren't idiots) more fuel is more power !

•The cooling system can be used during Q3 (hot lap)
•The cooling system can be used during the start procedure
•The cooling system can be used to make a gap during the race

This while Mercedes wrecked 3 Red Bull cars and 3 HONDA PU's in the last 2 races !!!
If HAM wins his 8th WDC . It's a 100 % STOLEN WDC !!!

FIA are you sleeping ???