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      11-16-2023, 01:00 AM   #23
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People always like to ignore the upcharge they paid the dealer initially on sticker price versus an ICE to get that ďsavingsĒ 🙄. Complaining about $5/gal gas while probably sipping an overpriced Starbucks latte 😂
Iíll still stick to ICE because after a long ski day the last thing I want to do is fight for a charger on the way home and wait another 45min for it to charge.
I also have a F15 X5 50i and a G30 M550i. Nobody wants to drive those and we fight over who drives the iX. The EV acceleration is addictive and makes going back to ICE and the terrible turbo lag of the N63ís just like going back to the stone age. B58/S58 may be better but the instant EV torque is way more useful in daily driving/passing. I do not care one bit about being green or what not. I just like the driving dynamics of the EV as a daily driver.

I drive 40k miles+/year so my savings especially with the 2 years free charging areÖaccelerated. I doubt most EV owners actually save the EV/ICE spread over the first 3 years but I definitely will. EV pricing is plummeting now because of reduced demand so thatís something to keep an eye on.

If youíre doing local ski trips in SoCal like Big Bear in the iX from say, downtown LA, those 105 miles will take 40% ish going uphill there, and then about 25% battery going home. You wonít need to ďwait another 45 minĒ to charge.

Are you really doing a day trip to Mammoth? Itís 320 miles/5 hours 1 way. I charge at the Westin where I stay up there for free and leave the hotel to go home at 100%.

If you want to go EV and not worry about charging, get a Tesla. Those of us who want EVs nicer than a Tesla have options like BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Lucid, Rivian, etc. Itís nice to have more and more choices.

The only ICE I see myself keeping long term would be like a 6MT M2 or a 7MT 991.2/992 GT3.
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Except that all the ICE vehicles had a lease payment higher than the IX with current incentives and Iím really looking forward to walking back to car that is fully heated when I get to it.

I donít really have to worry about charging either as Palisades is only 30 minutes from the house.

I also wish I could complain about $5 gas. Filled up yesterday at $6.59.
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A bit too icy and a bit too many people but the opening weekend for me was more about the vibe and the beers with friends anyway lol
wow that pic is insane
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Are you really doing a day trip to Mammoth? Itís 320 miles/5 hours 1 way. I charge at the Westin where I stay up there for free and leave the hotel to go home at 100%.
Iím on the icecoast. Regularly driving up to 3hr each way on weekends to Vermont to ski. Iím a day tripper for skiing. Back roads in Vermont donít have many EV chargers and Iíd rather not drive further than necessary to find one. As infrastructure improves I can see it being a vehicle for me in the future but I think the next step is a mild hybrid. I could care less about instant torque and 0-60. Give me an EV with well over 500miles of range instead at the price of an x3..
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wow that pic is insane
I agree. Can't believe they allow that many on the mountain for liability reasons.

I got my 3rd ski day of the season in yesterday at Keystone, CO. Left home at 80% SOC and got back home with 40% left, without any charging stops The trip home uses about 5% of that, as it's downhill most of the way (though an initial climb of about 3K ft over the Continental Divide at Loveland Pass), with a net elevation drop of about 4K ft.
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Iím on the icecoast. Regularly driving up to 3hr each way on weekends to Vermont to ski. Iím a day tripper for skiing. Back roads in Vermont donít have many EV chargers and Iíd rather not drive further than necessary to find one. As infrastructure improves I can see it being a vehicle for me in the future but I think the next step is a mild hybrid. I could care less about instant torque and 0-60. Give me an EV with well over 500miles of range instead at the price of an x3..
In your case. 100% agree PHEV/ICE is the best option for now, maybe like a X5 50e. Winter range on the iX was 170-220 miles for me (down from 260-290 non-winter range). Until next gen battery tech gets commercialized with non-winter range of 400-500 miles or Tesla opens up the SC network where charging is easy, then itís tough for a majority of Americans to consider move to EV especially those who take longer trips.
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Iím on the icecoast. Regularly driving up to 3hr each way on weekends to Vermont to ski. Iím a day tripper for skiing. Back roads in Vermont donít have many EV chargers and Iíd rather not drive further than necessary to find one. As infrastructure improves I can see it being a vehicle for me in the future but I think the next step is a mild hybrid. I could care less about instant torque and 0-60. Give me an EV with well over 500miles of range instead at the price of an x3..
Yes depends where you live. Luckily I live in SoCal. Took a 650 mile round trip vacation to Vegas last weekend in the M50 i4. At the 160 mile mark, we stopped in Barstow to eat and for a restroom break, and then set the cruise at 85mph (with a little 128mph session up the steep summit) and made it to Vegas with 60miles of range to spare. On the way back, same thing, left Vegas with 83% SOC, charged in Barstow and made it home with 90 miles of range to spare. And if I had to do it again, I would definitely take the i4 M50 on the trip over an ICE. It not all about acceleration, its the superior throttle response, the luxury, smoothness. The ADAS is also a great option to have on the Vegas trip. Truly such a great driving experience, I can't wait to do it again.
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A bit too icy and a bit too many people but the opening weekend for me was more about the vibe and the beers with friends anyway lol
Good lord that does NOT look fun. With Ikon and the ix, I love the spontaneous trips up to Mammoth after or during a huge dump ESPECIALLY in L2/chains required conditions. iX is a BEAST in the snow.
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Got out for the first time this season, to Solitude. 86 miles round trip, used 20% of the battery getting there and 9% coming back, 2.8mi/kwh. Not bad for having the ski rack back on the car,
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Any follow up conversations with BMW or EA to determine the limitations on charging? 130-140kW is pretty low relatively. Iíve done this drive before and itís great to hear your story. Thanks for sharing!
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Any follow up conversations with BMW or EA to determine the limitations on charging? 130-140kW is pretty low relatively. Iíve done this drive before and itís great to hear your story. Thanks for sharing!
Isn't 130-140kw pretty much the average charging speed for an iX? The maximum is 200kw and it can only hold that for about 20-35% and then it goes down after that. And after about 80% it stays under 100kw. So 130-140kw average feels just right to me. What were you expecting? Looks like you are a Tesla owner, and they can go up to 250kw so it's about 20% faster than an iX for sure.
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Isn't 130-140kw pretty much the average charging speed for an iX? The maximum is 200kw and it can only hold that for about 20-35% and then it goes down after that. And after about 80% is stays under 100kw. So 130-140kw feels just right to me. What were you expecting? Looks like you are a Tesla owner, and they can go up to 250kw so it's about 20% faster than an iX for sure.
Youíre right, although OP saw 130kw at 16% soc. For some reason I thought it could hit 200kw with a low SOC. I must have been thinking of a chart for a future improvement in the iX.
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It does 192kw, close enough. Sometimes EVs wonít just due to conditions (bad connector, shared power, etc). Even my friends with Teslas say they get varying speeds, sometimes have to switch superchargers, or whatever.
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Any follow up conversations with BMW or EA to determine the limitations on charging? 130-140kW is pretty low relatively. Iíve done this drive before and itís great to hear your story. Thanks for sharing!
I didn't really bother calling EA about it, pretty sure it's just those specific charging stations in Bishop. In Mojave the 350 kW charged at slightly below 190 kW just fine below 40% SoC. Maybe there are easier ways to report issues like that, but I just kinda forgot about it and I guess Bystander Effect kicked in and I expected someone else to report it.
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You’re right, although OP saw 130kw at 16% soc. For some reason I thought it could hit 200kw with a low SOC. I must have been thinking of a chart for a future improvement in the iX.
I think the charging rate has been improved, according to this
https://bmwi.bimmerpost.com/forums/s...4&postcount=10
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In your case. 100% agree PHEV/ICE is the best option for now, maybe like a X5 50e. Winter range on the iX was 170-220 miles for me (down from 260-290 non-winter range). Until next gen battery tech gets commercialized with non-winter range of 400-500 miles or Tesla opens up the SC network where charging is easy, then itís tough for a majority of Americans to consider move to EV especially those who take longer trips.
Which trim and mode year do you drive ? Also, are these figures at 80% SoC, asking because summer time or non winter time range for most folks is >325 miles. I am curious why you get 260-290 non winter range.
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Thatís great. I love seeing 245 kW on my Tesla, but after 5 minutes or so itís down to 200 kW and keeps dropping. Hereís a pic of that 245kW at 25% SOC.
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I am sure everyone here know that but just as a reminder.
The battery fan noise management is set to ďAutoĒ by default. That is somewhat restrictive. If it is set to ďUnrestrictedĒ then charging takes noticeable shorter time. Especially in warmer temperatures Iíd guess. Being in S. Florida my car has never experienced anything close to real cold.
Just a hint anyway.
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I am sure everyone here know that but just as a reminder.
The battery fan noise management is set to ďAutoĒ by default. That is somewhat restrictive. If it is set to ďUnrestrictedĒ then charging take noticeable shorter time. Especially in warmer temperatures Iíd guess. Being in S. Florida my car has never experienced anything close to real cold.
Just a hint anyway.
This is a good note. Iíll try this next time!

When charging a Tesla I noticed the fans go crazy and are shockingly loud while preconditioning and then also for the first 10-15 minutes when charging. Makes sense because they are hastily optimizing battery temperatures for charging speed over quietness.
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Which trim and mode year do you drive ? Also, are these figures at 80% SoC, asking because summer time or non winter time range for most folks is >325 miles. I am curious why you get 260-290 non winter range.
2022 iX 50.

These are actual 100%-1% miles (not the inflated 100% SoC figures).

Itís because of my aftermarket wheels and tires. I have 2 sets:

1. 22Ē 3-piece forged, 285/45R22: Avg 2.4mi/kWh so range is around 250-260 over the last 30000 miles on this set. The wheels are MUCH heavier than the stock 22Ē set, and Iím running wider/taller non-EV/non-LRR A/S tires on them. So yes, about 20-25% range loss depending on how I drive. Itís annoying but I will deal with it until my free EA charging ends in August.

2. 20Ē flow-formed (winter), 275/55R20 Toyo GSi-6 LS studless which I did 6500 miles on last winter. These are much lighter than the 22ís as I swap them out for snowboarding trips 3-4x per winter and have to load/unload both sets all the time. Warmer temps (45-60F) I get around 270-280 over the same conditions as above usually as Iím leaving SoCal. Once i get to where itís cold (-5F to 30F), the range goes down to 170-210 miles and even worse if youíre blasting the heat in single digit F temps.

Lesson learned, the aero face of EV wheels are VERY functional, especially at highway speeds. Iím losing 10% on that alone, and another 5-8% on tires. I donít regret the tire part as Iíve done 30k miles of hard driving on that set alone and I still have about 35-40% tread. I will probably replace the set in another 10k miles with a 285/40R22 summer tire instead of 285/45R22 all-season.

On another note, I went off-roading in Utah with the 22ís and the iX with air suspension lift feels like itís floating on clouds even on very rocky (1-4Ē) roads at 50mph. Iím going to throw some all-terrains on my 20Ē wheels in the spring and thrash the iX around properly. You guys should definitely go off the beaten path. Our cars are really fun and the traction control is very very good in snow or off-road.
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Wheels make a huge difference on range, and this is one thing that isnít clear on the configurator. If you look at Tesla the range takes a huge hit if you opt for the larger, non-aero wheels.
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