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The $160k 1000HP 2-second 0-60 estate edition(?) will ship by end of year. The other 3 can be ordered with staggered delivery throughout 2022. The cheapest Lucid is not bad compared to Tesla/other EVs, if number 1 to 8 are rock solid then number 9 can be readjusted. |
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number 3, 4 and 8 are irrelevant for ICE. number 1, 2, 6, 7 are basically 330i. number 9 is doable if incentives are good. number 5 0-60 in 5 seconds is not doable now but this open-source spec is somewhat forward projecting. My lightly optioned($1k-ish) 330i was $37k + tax + fee after incentives, so a bare-bone base could hit $36k(close enough to $35k ).
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09-14-2021, 09:22 PM | #49 | |
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After 100K miles they deem the car as "spent" or the equivalent. Unless the government mandates or competition gets crazy; there won't be an extension unless you pay. Now the 3500lbs is interesting. They already do that in the 5 and 7 series. They just haven't deemed it cost effective.
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09-14-2021, 09:56 PM | #50 | |
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F30 328i and F30 330i till 2017 has 15 years/150000 miles PZEV emission warranty, but PZEV expires in 2018. Starting 2018, 15 years/150000 miles TZEV emission warranty is available for F30 330e and G20 330e PHEV. These lucrative emission warranties cover lots of expensive components, but are only available in PZEV/TZEV states(CA is one of them). The covered components are more extensive than 8 years/80000 miles CA emission warranty. E.g. timing chain of 2016 N26 and 2017 B46 and 2018 B48(PHEV) are covered under PZEV/TZEV for 15 years/150000 miles, that is a very very big deal. |
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09-15-2021, 10:00 AM | #52 | |
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The 2 it misses are the 15-year battery warranty and the range. Presuming that you can charge at home overnight, the only time that extra range is truly relevant is road trips, and even then, most find that road-tripping in an EV with appropriate charging network is extremely pleasant, if different than what they've been accustomed to. Regarding "thermal runaway", read this: https://insideevs.com/news/528123/te...ersus-gas-car/ |
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09-15-2021, 10:53 AM | #53 | |
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SR+ is 3800lb (300lb above number 1), and can only get 250+ miles, with 60kWh. That battery can be charged with v3 supercharger in 30 minutes, but surely Tesla does not offer 15 yrs/150000 miles 90% capacity warranty. 500+ miles of range likely adds another 500lb on SR+, maybe around 4300lb? And thermal runaway vs. gasoline fire has one huge difference, namely, gasoline fire can be put out, but thermal runaway can't. That is a very critical safety issue that is ignored by most. And when I bought my 2021 330i, the SR+ was $2k($42.5k total) more expensive than 330i(and Tesla had no car to deliver).
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On the subject of 500+ miles of range, my thinking is that a day of 300-400 miles driving on road trips look reasonable, and 500+ miles provides flexibility such that no supercharger stop is needed in the middle of the day.
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In Ca. the battery warranty is now 10yr/100K on current EV. In 2026 it goes to 15yr/150K under the proposed rules. Nice thing about EV motors as they don't wear much at all. I haven't heard any stories about motor replacement in any EV. Good news since battery packs cost more than engines in ICE cars. It's criminal what Tesla wants to charge for replacement batteries in the Model S and they want to yours as a core. Been seeing stories of broken coolant nipples and they want $20K
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Yeah the alphabet soup is fascinating: PZEV (partial zero emission vehicle) expires 2017. Coverage is 15 years/150000 miles on ICE components. AT-PZEV(advantage technology PZEV) starts 2018, and requires at least 10 miles of EV range to qualify. Coverage is 15 years/150000 miles on ICE components, and 10 years/150000 miles on battery. TZEV(transitionary ZEV) is another name of AT-PZEV. And plug-in hybrid electric vehicle(PHEV) qualifies as AT-PZEV. Last edited by bavarianride; 09-15-2021 at 12:44 PM.. |
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Looking at a different comparator, I was looking at the VW ID.4 GTX - a dedicate EV platform, dual motor, weighs in at 2224kg vs i4 M50 2290kg (EU rating allowing for 75kg driver), similar range. Also able to cater for four burley Bavarians without snapping in half
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Probably best if you never cross the street as a pedestrian either, as your chances of being hit by a car are far higher than your chances of experiencing a car fire... My wife and I do a 400-mile (each way) road trip multiple times per year, her in her 650+mile range Audi Q5 TDi and me in my Model 3 Performance. The trip typically takes about 15-20 minutes longer in the Tesla than it does in the Audi. Hardly a deal-breaker, IMO but YMMV... |
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And we do know many other premium brands take proactive steps on battery protection/enclosure that Tesla lacks. |
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BMW recalled more than a million E90/E80 cars for the possibility of electrical fire. There was a study and even it if it was off by even a large degree EV's catch fire an order of magnitude less often. ~200 million miles driven for EV and 19 million miles for ICE. The problem is that the typical ICE auto fire can be put out pretty easy and lasts about 30 minutes or so. An EV can burn for hours and take thousands of gallons of water just to keep it under control. In general car fires are pretty rare.
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I was looking for the information about a week ago because I know someone that had a fire (ICE) caused by electrical issues.
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