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      03-27-2019, 09:45 AM   #1
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BMW i2 Model Reportedly Coming in 2024

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Germany's Manager Magazin is reporting that BMW has plans to introduce a small i2 EV in 2024. It would be BMW's first model based on the potential new electric platform co-developed with Daimler.

The i2 would be similar in size to the current i3 but it will not feature the i3's carbon fiber body and have approximately a 300km (186 mile) range.

Pricing is reportedly less than 30k euros ($34k USD) and sales could begin in 2024. The joint sales target for the i2 and Daimler's version would be 500,000 cars a year, the magazine says.

The magazine goes on to say that BMW initially wants to develop only one electric model with Daimler.

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      03-27-2019, 10:47 AM   #2
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Let's get this right, guys:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/volk...eel-drive-evs/

Just say "no" to FWD EVs.

I have to add that the 186 mile range makes so little sense that I can't believe it will prove to be accurate. In five years, an EV with less than 200 miles of range is going to rot on the car lot.

I am personally very excited for the onslaught of small, cheap, high performing RWD EVs. With no more CAFE and other emissions regulations to worry about, there is no cost barrier to stuffing 450hp+ into a small a coupe, hatchback, or sedan. And with less drivetrain miscellany to sap valuable volume, you get more interior space in a smaller footprint. Lots of win.
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Automotive industry is trying very hard to electrify logically convenient customer segments in an over saturated market. One such customer segment:

- Need to drive up to 150 miles a day with 1-4 people in the car
- The driver doesn't care what he / she drives
- Enough storage space accommodate basic cargo while driving to / from the grocery store

i3, Nissan Leaf, and now i2 all target this market. Not a surprise.
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      03-27-2019, 11:16 AM   #4
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      03-27-2019, 11:34 AM   #5
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Waiting for the i1
It actually may very well be on the way, according to some rumors. Keep in mind that 2024 is a long way off and they have the F56 MINI Cooper S E coming this year which shares a platform with the F52 1 Series sedan, and in updated form, the new F40 1 Series hatchback. It would be a relatively cheap stop-gap to take that drivetrain and put it into either or both of the BMW models, resulting in an i1. I would not bet against this happening. Of course, those two vehicles (the 1 Series sedan and hatchback) are not sold in the US, so neither would the i1 be.
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      03-27-2019, 11:57 AM   #6
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I might as well wait for the i9 just because it sounds cool, and give BMW sometime to finalize all of their plan & thoughts on the "i" lineup
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      03-27-2019, 12:01 PM   #7
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      03-27-2019, 12:04 PM   #8
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186 mile range? BMW has really learned nothing from the i3.
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      03-27-2019, 12:28 PM   #9
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First off the 'i' brand is pretty schizophrenic. The i3 is dead and now the i3 name is used and presumably won't be reused.

'I' brand was envisioned as a 'green' brand.
i3 is cool and special. Ugly too. But carbon fiber, light weight, commuter range, all renewable materials etc. It's very cool.

The i8 was similiar.

Didn't sell. Now they are both dead. So the 'i' brand was refocused to be an 'M' style électrification if the production range. This M4 is a sports car version of the 4 series. The i4 is the electric version of the 4 series. The M performance version is a sporty production version and the i performance is a hybrid version of the 4.

All makes sense.

But the i3 is a ultra green commuter. So the 3 series will never have an i3 nor the i8.

Except the iNext is a one off self autonomous office space car thing.

Now the i2 is thé follow up to thé i3 and it's a regular electric car but has none of the ultra green light weight features of the i3.

What the hell Is going on in Munich?

Thé i3 doesn't sell so they are going to remake it without the carbon fiber and green interior, aka, make it cheap, and expect it to sell? Does this mean the 2, 3, 5, and 8 chassis were all developed to be capable of being BEVs for no reason?
What do you call a BEV 3 series? 3 series 'i' like the 1 series M?

BMW wants to compete with Tesla but all they have is a shit show of a brand with no identity. They should stay the course on the i3 and i8, fix the design of the i3, and try to make light weight futuristic cars. Not a poor man's Tesla.
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      03-27-2019, 12:44 PM   #10
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The i3 is dead and now the i3 name is used and presumably won't be reused.

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But the i3 is a ultra green commuter. So the 3 series will never have an i3 nor the i8.
The i3 nameplate may very well be reused on the electric G28 that evidence suggests is coming (for China only, just like the ICE G28).

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What the hell Is going on in Munich?
Same thing that is going on worldwide - massive disruption.
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      03-27-2019, 01:25 PM   #11
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oh come on, if this i2 with 186 WLTP miles is going to be 34K then i'm sure the i4 i was excited about next door is going to start at 65K....

shame on you bmw, if this comes out with around 145 EPA miles in 2024, this would be the ultimate laughing stock of all BEVs. it doesn't even compare favorably with the Niro EV that's out right now! how the hell is this spec going to be competitive in 2024?
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      03-27-2019, 01:37 PM   #12
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shame on you bmw
Don't put too much stock in this report - they are most likely spitballing with the specs. The important part is that BMW is teaming with Daimler for a small EV platform which should begin to bear fruit before the middle of next decade.
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      03-27-2019, 02:07 PM   #13
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Sounds like they’re either scrambling or have a revolving door in EV leadership
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Let's get this right, guys:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/volk...eel-drive-evs/

Just say "no" to FWD EVs.

I have to add that the 186 mile range makes so little sense that I can't believe it will prove to be accurate. In five years, an EV with less than 200 miles of range is going to rot on the car lot.

I am personally very excited for the onslaught of small, cheap, high performing RWD EVs. With no more CAFE and other emissions regulations to worry about, there is no cost barrier to stuffing 450hp+ into a small a coupe, hatchback, or sedan. And with less drivetrain miscellany to sap valuable volume, you get more interior space in a smaller footprint. Lots of win.
Agreed.

I think anything under 200 actual useable miles is ridiculous even today.
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First off the 'i' brand is pretty schizophrenic. The i3 is dead and now the i3 name is used and presumably won't be reused.

'I' brand was envisioned as a 'green' brand.
i3 is cool and special. Ugly too. But carbon fiber, light weight, commuter range, all renewable materials etc. It's very cool.

The i8 was similiar.

Didn't sell. Now they are both dead. So the 'i' brand was refocused to be an 'M' style électrification if the production range. This M4 is a sports car version of the 4 series. The i4 is the electric version of the 4 series. The M performance version is a sporty production version and the i performance is a hybrid version of the 4.

All makes sense.

But the i3 is a ultra green commuter. So the 3 series will never have an i3 nor the i8.

Except the iNext is a one off self autonomous office space car thing.

Now the i2 is thé follow up to thé i3 and it's a regular electric car but has none of the ultra green light weight features of the i3.

What the hell Is going on in Munich?

Thé i3 doesn't sell so they are going to remake it without the carbon fiber and green interior, aka, make it cheap, and expect it to sell? Does this mean the 2, 3, 5, and 8 chassis were all developed to be capable of being BEVs for no reason?
What do you call a BEV 3 series? 3 series 'i' like the 1 series M?

BMW wants to compete with Tesla but all they have is a shit show of a brand with no identity. They should stay the course on the i3 and i8, fix the design of the i3, and try to make light weight futuristic cars. Not a poor man's Tesla.
The i3 is far from dead.

Global Sales of the BMW i3 since Market introduction in Europe November 2013.

2013 1,477
2014 16,052
2015 24,057
2016 25,500
2017 31,482
2018 34,829
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The i3 is far from dead.

Global Sales of the BMW i3 since Market introduction in Europe November 2013.

2013 1,477
2014 16,052
2015 24,057
2016 25,500
2017 31,482
2018 34,829
Scott, it needs xDrive and a much more capable battery.

And BMW needs to take a more aggressive role in building out the much needed charging network.
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I have to add that the 186 mile range makes so little sense that I can't believe it will prove to be accurate. In five years, an EV with less than 200 miles of range is going to rot on the car lot.
Not necessarily. 186 miles is still great range that more than covers most people's commute. BMW just needs a good charging network, which they can build or buy.

Good for BMW if they follow through on this.
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This can sell in Europe and Asia where small city car is makes sense, the US, probably not
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The i3 is far from dead.

Global Sales of the BMW i3 since Market introduction in Europe November 2013.

2013 1,477
2014 16,052
2015 24,057
2016 25,500
2017 31,482
2018 34,829
I like the i3 but remember the sales target was double that. Atleast it's growing in popularity.
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Let's be honest, the current i3 should have been named the i2 but BMW of course wanted to charge more money, thus killing the connection to the 3 series brand, requiring an i4 which will be akin to a 3 series but breaking their now ignored naming scheme of even numbers for coupes, odd numbers for saloons.

BMW's vision has become shorter and shorter, ironic as the original Vision Concept eventually became the i8. That concept came out in 2009, 10 years ago! They were SO far ahead of everyone and now they are SO very far behind, it's embarrassing.

Just look at this thing, I had such high hopes for BMW back then...
https://www.motortrend.com/news/bmw-...amics-concept/
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Let's be honest, the current i3 should have been named the i2 but BMW of course wanted to charge more money, thus killing the connection to the 3 series brand, requiring an i4 which will be akin to a 3 series but breaking their now ignored naming scheme of even numbers for coupes, odd numbers for saloons.
What's wrong with the i4 name, it clearly will be much more similar to the 4GC than the 3er.

I also find it weird that BMW should stick to their naming scheme forever. Where are the people with torches and pitchforks in Redmond when Microsoft went from 7, to Vista, to 8 to 10?
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Not necessarily. 186 miles is still great range that more than covers most people's commute.
It isn't about commuting distance. We know that a mere 100 miles of range would cover most commutes, yet no company would dare release an EV to the US market in 2019 with such a low range. People are expecting 200+ miles today, which is why nearly every new and upcoming EV provides that.

Sure, on most days we only drive to and from work, maybe stopping on the way in or the way home to run errands. However, the vast majority of the population participates in some leisure activity that requires traveling longer distances on some occasions. So how much more range is necessary? Figure eight hours is spent sleeping and eight hours working, so that leaves eight more hours in a day for additional activity (including the commute). We can further assume that most people would limit drive time to half of their leisure time, which would be roughly four hours. At an average speed of, for the sake or argument, 50mph, we get 200 miles of range. Add in a fudge factor to allow for higher average speeds and allow for a ratio than 50/50 for drive/activity, and 300 miles will probably cover the vast majority of use cases. You charge up at home at night so you never have to waste anywhere from 15 to 60+ minutes of your already-in-short-supply, week-day leisure time waiting for the vehicle to recharge.

So, no, BMW will not release an EV in the US in 2024 with a battery option under 200 miles of range. In fact, the MINI Cooper S E coming later this year is probably the last one with under 200 miles of range we'll see in the states from BMW.

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BMW just needs a good charging network, which they can build or buy.
Just as they don't own gas stations today, automakers do not need to own their own charging networks. There are plenty of charging networks already, and more chargers are being added on a consistent basis. BMW partnered with ChargeNow for the i3, and in the future will likely partner with others. I have been driving an EV for six months now and have used a Level 3 charger exactly twice, and Level 2 chargers perhaps half a dozen times. And my vehicle has only 115 miles of range (I currently use an ICE vehicle when I need more range, but my next EV purchase - whatever it is - will eliminate that vehicle from my garage).

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This can sell in Europe and Asia where small city car is makes sense, the US, probably not
This platform is the future of BMW and Mercedes small vehicles, so it is intended to spawn global models. Just like today, not every form factor will be available in every region, but here in the US, today's 2 Series will be supplemented, and eventually supplanted, by tomorrow's i2.

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Let's be honest, the current i3 should have been named the i2 but BMW of course wanted to charge more money, thus killing the connection to the 3 series brand, requiring an i4 which will be akin to a 3 series but breaking their now ignored naming scheme of even numbers for coupes, odd numbers for saloons.
This is a wildly inaccurate analysis. If increasing the model number was the key to charging more money, they would not have stopped at "i3".

The i4 is an electric 4 Series. That's why it is called the i4. In the not-so-distant future, once the current i3 has run its course, that nameplate will be repurposed for an electric 3 Series model.
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