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      10-04-2021, 02:26 PM   #1
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Almost 3 tons

Will be interesting to see stopping numbers on these things.
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Cannot even begin to consider one of these until the US charging infrastructure catches up.

Watched an interesting video with Schmee where he's trying to get to Germany and back from the UK in his Taycan Turbo, and it's almost comical how many glitches and hiccups he encounters.

At one point he does a calculation and figures that it costs almost the same to charge the car is it would for a full tank of petrol in his Ferrari Lusso.
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Cannot even begin to consider one of these until the US charging infrastructure catches up.

Watched an interesting video with Schmee where he's trying to get to Germany and back from the UK in his Taycan Turbo, and it's almost comical how many glitches and hiccups he encounters.

At one point he does a calculation and figures that it costs almost the same to charge the car is it would for a full tank of petrol in his Ferrari Lusso.
Similar issues happened on MKBHD's video in which a Mach-E, Model S and Q5 had a long road trip. Electrify America messed up so many times at different stations that the Mach-E was at a disadvantage of 6 hours and had to reroute to a different route.

I don't understand how the government can be pushing EV's on us so much without helping the charging network (outside of Superchargers) improve greatly.

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Cannot even begin to consider one of these until the US charging infrastructure catches up.

Watched an interesting video with Schmee where he's trying to get to Germany and back from the UK in his Taycan Turbo, and it's almost comical how many glitches and hiccups he encounters.

At one point he does a calculation and figures that it costs almost the same to charge the car is it would for a full tank of petrol in his Ferrari Lusso.
I'll use my X5 for road trips.
I can't see driving more than 100 or so miles each way with the M50.

My 335i saw maybe one long road trip in 11 years.

I already have Level 2 charging at home.
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At this point, an electric car is best for sub 200 mile trips. I would never buy one thinking it would replace my long haul SUV.
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At this point, an electric car is best for sub 200 mile trips. I would never buy one thinking it would replace my long haul SUV.
Same here
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At this point, an electric car is best for sub 200 mile trips. I would never buy one thinking it would replace my long haul SUV.
I’ve done a few ~700 mile trips in a Tesla…. It’s pretty decent with their SC network today…. Two years ago it was a different story. The other 3P networks have a LOT of work to do….that’s the Achilles heel of pretty much everyone else…..the network is key for long term/long road success.

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Cannot even begin to consider one of these until the US charging infrastructure catches up.

Watched an interesting video with Schmee where he's trying to get to Germany and back from the UK in his Taycan Turbo, and it's almost comical how many glitches and hiccups he encounters.

At one point he does a calculation and figures that it costs almost the same to charge the car is it would for a full tank of petrol in his Ferrari Lusso.
To be fair he compared Ionity fast charging cost with the petrol for his V12 Ferrari. Depending on the country, charging at Ionity is 5 times as expensive as charging at home (Ionity is 0.79€/kWh with subscription, at home you can get the power much cheaper). So in the end for anyone that can charge at home it will be much cheaper.

Additionally, the iX has about double the range compared to the Taycan (and it is much more efficient, sub 20kWh/100km vs almost 30kWh/100km), so you don't have to charge as often.

Nonetheless, for roadtrips I still share your concerns about the infrastructure (although here in Europe it seems to be better than in the US, in Nordics it's a non-issue).
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Almost 3 tons

Will be interesting to see stopping numbers on these things.
I would imagine pretty decent due to the regenerative braking but still a porker
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What's up with such a low top speed, guessing that's why they only bothered with H rated tires on the 20s and 21s?
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What's up with such a low top speed,s?
Range preservation.
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Range preservation.
It shouldn't matter, higher speeds are always going to kill the range, no matter your fuel source.
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Cannot even begin to consider one of these until the US charging infrastructure catches up.
With Tesla opening up their supercharging network soon, it should not be a concern.
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With Tesla opening up their supercharging network soon, it should not be a concern.
Tesla charging stations are still non existent compared to gas stations. It will always be a concern until chargers are as plentiful as gas pumps.
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Tesla charging stations are still non existent compared to gas stations. It will always be a concern until chargers are as plentiful as gas pumps.
Without some serious assistance from the government, I do not know how this is going to be fixed. When people are not doing road trips (which will be 90 percent+ of the time for most people), they will just charge at home. If the only time people need a charging station is when they go on road trips or long drives, the demand is not going to be there to sustain a large number of charging stations being around.
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Tesla charging stations are still non existent compared to gas stations. It will always be a concern until chargers are as plentiful as gas pumps.
It doesn't need to be a 1:1, but there does need to be enough to handle most travel situations. The vast majority of BEV owners will charge at home, where the kWh rate is the least expensive. It's only on longer trips (200+mi) where a DCFC comes into play. there are still gaps though even with L2 chargering in multi-family buildings (i.e. apartments, etc) which need to be addressed...either by tax incentives or rental/building codes.

It's going to take a while for providers to deploy DCFC's in significant quantities.... how long has Tesla been working at it?? Another issue is can the grid support it.... DCFC's (i.e. Tesla, et al) need multiple megawatts of power per location.... there are a LOT of places that can't even support a single MW.... so utilities have to run new lines, increase substation capacity, etc. -- that takes time and money. Thankfully there are incentives at the Federal and State levels that will hopefully help increase adoption and deployment of the necessary infrastructure.
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Tesla charging stations are still non existent compared to gas stations. It will always be a concern until chargers are as plentiful as gas pumps.
No, we will never need as many charges as gas pumps because of home charging (and charging at work is also getting more common).

We only need chargers at strategic locations for long trips to satisfy needs for the majority.
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No, we will never need as many charges as gas pumps because of home charging (and charging at work is also getting more common).

We only need chargers at strategic locations for long trips to satisfy needs for the majority.
So let's say you take a trip and need to stay in a hotel overnight. When you get to the hotel you notice all 5 of the chargers are in use. Do you park and wait with the other 50 electric cars that also want one of the five spots? Or drive to a Tesla charging station and wait an hour or more to charge the car then go back to the hotel? Or maybe I can just leave it somewhere charging unattended and Uber back to the hotel then later back to the car?

None of these options are acceptable to most drivers. That is why I say for the vast majority of drivers with today's sparse charging infrastructure an EV is not an acceptable solution. EV's are still a toy for those with disposable income and enthusiasts who enjoy new technology.

Until charging is as easy as fueling most people that only care about getting from point A to point B couldn't care less what powertrain they do it with.
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No, we will never need as many charges as gas pumps because of home charging (and charging at work is also getting more common).

We only need chargers at strategic locations for long trips to satisfy needs for the majority.
So let's say you take a trip and need to stay in a hotel overnight. When you get to the hotel you notice all 5 of the chargers are in use. Do you park and wait with the other 50 electric cars that also want one of the five spots? Or drive to a Tesla charging station and wait an hour or more to charge the car then go back to the hotel? Or maybe I can just leave it somewhere charging unattended and Uber back to the hotel then later back to the car?

None of these options are acceptable to most drivers. That is why I say for the vast majority of drivers with today's sparce charging infrastructure an EV is not an acceptable solution. EV's are still a toy for those with disposable income and enthusiasts who enjoy new technology.

Until charging is as easy as fueling most people that only care about getting from point A to point B couldn't care less what powertrain they do it with.
I agree.

That's why my EV cars are not considered road trip cars. Or at least not a long road trip.
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