[Mani59]

     Featured on BIMMERPOST.com

AutoTopNL undertakes the Autobahn Top Speed Run and 0-100 1/4 Mile 100-200 on the i4 M50.

[khoa@x-ph.com]

That's pretty impressive especially on wet roads!!

[sittingmongoose]

Results?

[finn123]

Originally Posted by sittingmongoose

results?

0-100 3.74
0-200 12.82
100-200 8.67
1/4 - 11.80

[sittingmongoose]

Originally Posted by electric2021

0-100 3.74
0-200 12.82
100-200 8.67
1/4 - 11.80

Thank you, what was the trap? Can't watch the video at work.

[finn123]

Originally Posted by sittingmongoose

Thank you, what was the trap? Can't watch the video at work.

Should be around 190 km/h. They didn’t show that result

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by khoa@x-ph.com

That's pretty impressive especially on wet roads!!

I know struggling for traction and still below 4s on a 0-60 run.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by SINasTER

Considering it's an electric, it's not that impressive. I was hoping for something better than that and closer to the tesla.

Considering it actually looks like a conventional ICE vehicle, in- and outside, I will gladly take this over Tesla or any other toy-like looking EV.

[Staszek]

Originally Posted by SINasTER

Considering it's an electric, it's not that impressive. I was hoping for something better than that and closer to the tesla.

Its pretty darn close to the Tesla M3P to 60 we are talking tenths here and pretty dead-on in the quarter-mile meaning it was catching the M3P.

Considering that it's a lot heavier and not a dedicated platform like Tesla I would say that is pretty damn good. BMW on a dedicated platform with the same motors would have destroyed a Tesla.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Staszek

Its pretty darn close to the Tesla M3P to 60 we are talking tenths here and pretty dead-on in the quarter-mile.

Considering that it's a lot heavier and not a dedicated platform like Tesla I would say that is pretty damn good. BMW on a dedicated platform with the same motors would have destroyed a Tesla.

Please tell us what the difference would be in the chassis between this and a dedicated one. Why would dedicated be so much faster?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Please tell us what the difference would be in the chassis between this and a dedicated one. Why would dedicated be so much faster?

Less weight.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Staszek

Its pretty darn close to the Tesla M3P to 60 we are talking tenths here and pretty dead-on in the quarter-mile meaning it was catching the M3P.

Considering that it's a lot heavier and not a dedicated platform like Tesla I would say that is pretty damn good. BMW on a dedicated platform with the same motors would have destroyed a Tesla.

Haha and yet …. They haven't.

A mere Long Range model 3 with £1500 acceleration boost is sub 3.7s. It's not the performance model and it's not a BMW M.

Great car from BMW but as the poster said it's not segment leading performance. That used to be ok in an M3 vs RS4, M2 vs RS3 etc as the lighter weight and manual gearbox meant the experience was superior.

Now the lines are getting very very blurred and the playing field levelled.

Interesting times and competition is awesome for us all.

[spool twice]

For reference...the quickest 100-200kph time on dragys database for a Tesla Model 3 Performance is 10.09 seconds.

The i4 M50 is right up there with P100D fwiw.

Also, the difference between 10.09 and 8.67 (1st 100-200kph run), that 1.42 second difference is similar to a Taycan 4s vs Taycan Turbo.

Any are we really comparing 0-100kph times on a vehicle that was clearly done on wet roads?

[Robert]

Agree, the competition is definitely good. However, I don't think BMW is close to Tesla in tech yet. It has a 83-84 kw battery pack but tesla only has 73-75. Battery pack isn't just fuel tank size on ICE cars. It affects how much energy it can be used. In analogy BMW stuffed a bigger engine into the car, got heavier so it has more power top end but also suffers from shorter range. Sound like detriot stuffing big v8 to keep up with bmw NA i6 in the past.

[BimmerBahn]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Haha and yet …. They haven't.

A mere Long Range model 3 with £1500 acceleration boost is sub 3.7s. It's not the performance model and it's not a BMW M.

Great car from BMW but as the poster said it's not segment leading performance. That used to be ok in an M3 vs RS4, M2 vs RS3 etc as the lighter weight and manual gearbox meant the experience was superior.

Now the lines are getting very very blurred and the playing field levelled.

Interesting times and competition is awesome for us all.

The i4 M50 in this video had problems getting the power to the tarmac....probably due to the summer tires in cold weather. Other i4 M50 drag times were better, 3.4s from a dig, so around 3.1s with 1 ft roll out.

I do agree that a bespoked platform the i4 would've been better, but all things considered, the car seems to perform pretty damn well for a first gen BEV saloon (i3 doesn't count). I'm looking forward to an i4M...something that is an actual ///M BEV. Waiting patiently

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Less weight.

That transmission tunnel is made of depleted uranium?

[Staszek]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Haha and yet …. They haven't.

A mere Long Range model 3 with £1500 acceleration boost is sub 3.7s. It's not the performance model and it's not a BMW M.

Great car from BMW but as the poster said it's not segment leading performance. That used to be ok in an M3 vs RS4, M2 vs RS3 etc as the lighter weight and manual gearbox meant the experience was superior.

Now the lines are getting very very blurred and the playing field leveled.

Interesting times and competition is awesome for us all.

A long range and MP3 are basically the same exact car, the motors are the same, the weight is the same, the battery is the same, its just a software change.

So take that out of the equation.

You are right its not segment-leading, its pretty much segment matching though, in a car that has a dual purpose of being an EV and and ICE car.

Tesla doesn't have the burden of having to appease an existing ICE population that it still needs to care about.

Lastly, the fit and finish between these two cars are night and day difference.

Personal opinion but it's a good shot across the bow for a non EV platform.

[spool twice]

Originally Posted by sittingmongoose

Thank you, what was the trap? Can't watch the video at work.

In watching the video and knowing some built in latency of when the results appear, it looks to be 200-204kph in traps

In other words 124.27 - 126.76 mph.

Also 8.67 100-200kph time is sublime for a stock 4 door saloon with "536hp" and 4883lbs DIN. It's 100-200kPh is almost 1.5 seconds quicker than its closest competitor to boot.

That is essentially a 9.3-9.5 60-130mph time, which is about .5 seconds off of a stock G8x M3/M4 Competition.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Staszek

A long range and MP3 are basically the same exact car, the motors are the same, the weight is the same, the battery is the same, its just a software change.

So take that out of the equation.

You are right its not segment-leading, its pretty much segment matching though, in a car that has a dual purpose of being an EV and and ICE car.

Tesla doesn't have the burden of having to appease an existing ICE population that it still needs to care about.

Lastly, the fit and finish between these two cars are night and day difference.

Personal opinion but it's a good shot across the bow for a non EV platform.

well said!

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by Robert

Agree, the competition is definitely good. However, I don't think BMW is close to Tesla in tech yet. It has a 83-84 kw battery pack but tesla only has 73-75. Battery pack isn't just fuel tank size on ICE cars. It affects how much energy it can be used. In analogy BMW stuffed a bigger engine into the car, got heavier so it has more power top end but also suffers from shorter range. Sound like detriot stuffing big v8 to keep up with bmw NA i6 in the past.

You are making this very simplistic and not in a good way.

If you want to compare the I4 M50 to a M3P. Is it heavier? Yes.

Tesla has a platform that is lighter but also has less battery protection than most other EV. Tesla also uses less premium (low end) materials. BMW has more features and amenities than a Tesla.

BMW also has much better quality than a Tesla.

But you mention tech. Tesla does not have superior tech.

1. Motor tech? Nope BMW has 5th generation electrically excited motors with no rare earth materials.

2. BMW has adaptive regeneration and GPS and ADAS integration. Tesla does not

3. BMW has hands free driving (traffic jam). Tesla does not.

The list goes on.

If you prefer Tesla then great, but just because a M50 isn't modeled after a Tesla doesn't make it an inferior product

I would argue that it would be rare to have a BMW fail a quality inspection at delivery. It's not rare to have a Tesla fail a basic paint and panel gap inspection at delivery. My best friend rejected 3 cars before she got a car that was good enough to take delivery. This just doesn't happen with BMW.

You get what you pay for. Sometimes you get less.
A Tesla is not a car I would ever buy. I don't like Tesla and tactics of discontinuing trim levels after you have ordered and try to push you into a higher trim level. I don't like the fraudulent marketing of FSD that will never be FSD.

[Hansn]

Once again ill put this out there for the Tesla model 3 vs i4 debate and the weight;

In adittion to being on a shared platform the BMW is built to carry alot more the weight and be crash safe with that weight. It can pull 1600kg trailer on top of that. Its pretty big numbers.

Total legal load including passengers in the Tesla is 388kg including driver/cargo.

Same number for the i4 is 555kg.

These are not race cars in the end, but daily drivers.

The sacrifices Tesla make to get their numbers has been discussed before i guess. But i think this is vital information when arguing that they somehow figured out something thats beyond BMWs engineers.

I think they are better at pushing the limits in ways that are unconventional and beyond BMWs engineers in the sense that german cars have different standards.. Legally carrying four average germans in a five seater being one of them.. 😅

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

You are making this very simplistic and not in a good way.

If you want to compare the I4 M50 to a M3P. Is it heavier? Yes.

Tesla has a platform that is lighter but also has less battery protection than most other EV. Tesla also uses less premium (low end) materials. BMW has more features and amenities than a Tesla.

BMW also has much better quality than a Tesla.

But you mention tech. Tesla does not have superior tech.

1. Motor tech? Nope BMW has 5th generation electrically excited motors with no rare earth materials.

2. BMW has adaptive regeneration and GPS and ADAS integration. Tesla does not

3. BMW has hands free driving (traffic jam). Tesla does not.

The list goes on.

If you prefer Tesla then great, but just because a M50 isn't modeled after a Tesla doesn't make it an inferior product

I would argue that it would be rare to have a BMW fail a quality inspection at delivery. It's not rare to have a Tesla fail a basic paint and panel gap inspection at delivery. My best friend rejected 3 cars before she got a car that was good enough to take delivery. This just doesn't happen with BMW.

You get what you pay for. Sometimes you get less.
A Tesla is not a car I would ever buy. I don't like Tesla and tactics of discontinuing trim levels after you have ordered and try to push you into a higher trim level. I don't like the fraudulent marketing of FSD that will never be FSD.

The rare earth metal point is critically important. Here is more to this:
https://www.designnews.com/automotiv...tals-ev-motors