[Jason]

Full Article & Review:
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/tes...epa-range.html


Summary of Edmunds test:

• The 536-horsepower 2022 BMW i4 M50 covered 268 miles in Edmunds' real-world EV range test, besting its EPA-estimated range by 41 miles.
• The i4's range overachievement compared to its EPA estimate puts it in the 80th percentile among all luxury EVs Edmunds has tested.
• The i4 uses a unique motor that BMW designed in-house — a brushed AC synchronous design that dispenses with using rare earth metals.

[GOLFFRR]

268 mile range not bad at all! should be more then enough for a large demo of buyers I would think.

[WhereItsAt]

This is with the high performance tire and wheel package. I'm curious how the 19" 270 mile rated performs (selfishly). Hoping (fingers crossed) for same percentage jump for ~318 mile range. Doubtful, but hopeful.

[cruzer666]

Given the test was done using 20" wheels and the EPA estimate is 227 miles, and the mileage gain was 18.1% over EPA, using the same math, the i4 M50 with the 19" wheels with an EPA estimate of 270 miles would've gotten somewhere around 318 miles range.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by GOLFFRR

268 mile range not bad at all! should be more then enough for a large demo of buyers I would think.

I think what is important in the article is that the i4 M50 with summer tires did 268 miles and exceeded the EPA range; while a Model 3 Performance can't even match it's.projwcted range.

Also the consumption was almost 20% better than anticipated.

i4 M50 for the win!

[kjx]

The thing that applies to all cars, including electric cars a bit more, is that some portion of the total range is not really usable because once you're down to 50 miles or so, range anxiety kicks in and you need to figure out where you're going to fuel up or charge up. Heaven-forbid this happens when you're stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic for hours due to an accident, etc.

So while my M4 does 250 miles+, it's really only 200 miles that's "usable" and it's very noticeable (my 45e by contrast can go a month without gas and there's no range anxiety for the electric portion of it; even road trips are super-fuel-efficient). I'd not do anything really more than 180 miles on an full electric car that can do 268 best case unless I'm in an area with a lot of options for charging close by when the remaining range is low.

If I'm in the middle of nowhere in a road-trip, that's going to severely scrunch the distances I travel between top-ups. And BMW does not have the benefit Tesla has with its proliferation of Superchargers. And even Tesla is not great, because in a 6 hour road-trip between a Model Y and the 45e, the 45e arrived back home more than an hour before the Model Y due to being able to sustain much higher speeds without killing range, and also not requiring fueling up (let alone a half-hour charge up in the middle of the night).

Full-electric cars are great if 100% of the use case is running them no more than max range minus 50 miles every day. And having a different ICE / hybrid vehicle at your disposal for road trips.

[cruzer666]

Originally Posted by kjx

And BMW does not have the benefit Tesla has with its proliferation of Superchargers.

Here are some facts:
As of March 2022, in US, there are 1315 Tesla Supercharger locations vs as of February 2022, 7018 Public DC fast charging locations, with the number growing exponentially in the next few years. Public EV charging infrastructure is growing at a faster rate (24% YoY growth 2020-2021). Also Tesla has plans on making the Supercharger network available to all other EV's.

[Eddien123]

Meh.. good enough for most I suppose

[M3WC]

Whats crazy if you look at all the EV's Edmunds has tested. The Taycan 4S got 323miles in their test, with an EPA range of 203 miles. 59% increase from Porsche's stated range.

There needs to be some kind of standard that all companies have to follow for stated ranges(preferably the same way EPA conducts their tests). These manufacture ranges are all over the place.

[jeffc42]

Originally Posted by cruzer666

Here are some facts:
As of March 2022, in US, there are 1315 Tesla Supercharger locations vs as of February 2022, 7018 Public DC fast charging locations, with the number growing exponentially in the next few years. Public EV charging infrastructure is growing at a faster rate (24% YoY growth 2020-2021). Also Tesla has plans on making the Supercharger network available to all other EV's.

Here are some additional facts. I was passing through Baker, CA, on the way to Vegas a few weeks ago and I stopped at the charging facilities to see how busy they were.

The first photo is the Tesla Supercharger. 40 stations, all in use. It was Sunday afternoon, and these were all people going home from Vegas.

The second photo is the line of Teslas waiting for an available charger.

The third photo is Electrify America, literally right next to the superchargers. Six chargers, not a single one in use. EVgo also has six chargers in Baker; two of those were in use.

Yes, at any location where both Tesla Superchargers and Electrify America are both present, there will easily be four times as many Superchargers present. But there are far more Teslas on the road than all other EVs combined. That is a fact that cannot be ignored.

[aktif8]

Good on bmw. In my i-pace, with the same size battery, and less power (400hp and 512 lb/ft) I was lucky to eke out 180ish real world. Range anxiety is real.

[kjx]

Originally Posted by jeffc42

Here are some additional facts. I was passing through Baker, CA, on the way to Vegas a few weeks ago and I stopped at the charging facilities to see how busy they were.

The first photo is the Tesla Supercharger. 40 stations, all in use. It was Sunday afternoon, and these were all people going home from Vegas.

The second photo is the line of Teslas waiting for an available charger.

The third photo is Electrify America, literally right next to the superchargers. Six chargers, not a single one in use. EVgo also has six chargers in Baker; two of those were in use.

Yes, at any location where both Tesla Superchargers and Electrify America are both present, there will easily be four times as many Superchargers present. But there are far more Teslas on the road than all other EVs combined. That is a fact that cannot be ignored.

Agreed on what you're saying. But while a Tesla can charge at Electrify America stations (it's unclear why nobody bothered in the photos you provided), non-Teslas can't charge at Tesla superchargers (yet).

And well, full/partial ICE cars don't have to deal with any of this unless a hurricane is bearing down. It's good that some people are actively contributing to the development of an economy around electric cars and charging stations so that it grows organically to a point that it doesn't suck as much relative to non-electric cars.

[M3macster]

I'm impressed with how quickly BMW has caught up. Now they just need to figure out how to increase passenger and storage volume like Tesla. I had a model 3 performance and averaged about 300 wh/mile which was 250 miles in real world range. I'd much rather have this BMW.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by M3macster

I'm impressed with how quickly BMW has caught up. Now they just need to figure out how to increase passenger and storage volume like Tesla. I had a model 3 performance and averaged about 300 wh/mile which was 250 miles in real world range. I'd much rather have this BMW.

The i4 has more storage volume and able to get larger items in than a TM3. The volume of the i4 > TM3 includes the frunk.

[M3macster]

No way. Go go minute 9.

Also watch Joe for back seat minute 6 -

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by jeffc42

Here are some additional facts. I was passing through Baker, CA, on the way to Vegas a few weeks ago and I stopped at the charging facilities to see how busy they were.

The first photo is the Tesla Supercharger. 40 stations, all in use. It was Sunday afternoon, and these were all people going home from Vegas.

The second photo is the line of Teslas waiting for an available charger.

The third photo is Electrify America, literally right next to the superchargers. Six chargers, not a single one in use. EVgo also has six chargers in Baker; two of those were in use.

Yes, at any location where both Tesla Superchargers and Electrify America are both present, there will easily be four times as many Superchargers present. But there are far more Teslas on the road than all other EVs combined. That is a fact that cannot be ignored.

Thank goodness you got this picture! I witnessed the same thing on my way back from Vegas last month.

[hotrod182]

[QUOTE=M3macster;28848114]No way. Go go minute 9.

Also watch Joe for back seat minute 6 -

Why would you post the Tesla Cheerleader and business biased review of Rsymons? And the other review by Harry is by someone who is biased towards the performance ICE experience. There are just as many or more videos that say the i4 is one of the best. Here is a good one from a veteran EV channel.

[M3macster]

[QUOTE=hotrod182;28848149]

Originally Posted by M3macster

No way. Go go minute 9.

Also watch Joe for back seat minute 6 -

Why would you post the Tesla Cheerleader and business biased review of Rsymons? And the other review by Harry is by someone who is biased towards the performance ICE experience. There are just as many or more videos that say the i4 is one of the best. Here is a good one from a veteran EV channel.

We're talking about interior volume and trunk space. I'm pretty sure those guys did a solid review, and Joe is not biased toward tesla at all. Obviously. He's a bmw guy through and through.

[jeffc42]

Originally Posted by kjx

Agreed on what you're saying. But while a Tesla can charge at Electrify America stations (it's unclear why nobody bothered in the photos you provided), non-Teslas can't charge at Tesla superchargers (yet).

Teslas can charge at Electrify America via a CHAdeMO adapter. There is at most one CHAdeMO connector at any given location and it supplies only 50KW of power. There may not even be one at that location (I didn't look), and EA has said they will discontinue them starting this year.

Of course, a Tesla owner has to have an adapter for it even to be an option. At $450, I wonder how many of those waiting in line had one in the car?

[cruzer666]

Originally Posted by jeffc42

Here are some additional facts. I was passing through Baker, CA, on the way to Vegas a few weeks ago and I stopped at the charging facilities to see how busy they were.

Wow, these pictures do tell the story very well, even better than cold hard numbers. The "advantage" of Tesla supercharger network is a fairytale 🙂.

There are more than 5 times the public DC fast charging locations vs Tesla supercharger locations in the US. And this gap will only get larger as many EV manufacturers, governments and even oil and gas companies like BP pledged real $$$ to expand the public DC fast charging network.

[GOLFFRR]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

I think what is important in the article is that the i4 M50 with summer tires did 268 miles and exceeded the EPA range; while a Model 3 Performance can't even match it's.projwcted range.

Also the consumption was almost 20% better than anticipated.

i4 M50 for the win!

I drove a model 3P for a little while. on 85% charge (what they recommend) I was getting 265 range. Full charge like here in this article on the BMW I was getting 303. So the M3P was still getting more and that Tesla I drove had the bigger wheels. So not sure BMW is there with them however the thing like I always say is the charging situation, tesla SC just seem to be a lot more available and lot faster at this point in time. Im seeing and sure everyone will catch up.

as far as the statement there are more DC chargers then tesla you have to kinda of take that with a grain of salt./ Example in my towns there are a lot of DC chargers at various hotels and locations that you are not able to access. There are also some where you have to pay a fee to use them each month (odd yea) and also not all of them are very powerful so yes there are chargers out there but does it take your car 6 hours to charge? Tesla ones when I had the tesla seemed to be everywhere and when I charged it was 20 min and I was gone. But again I have not had a lot of if any exp with BMW and other electric cars so I can't really state a full un bias comparison just yet, this is true.

[jeffc42]

Originally Posted by cruzer666

There are more than 5 times the public DC fast charging locations vs Tesla supercharger locations in the US. And this gap will only get larger as many EV manufacturers, governments and even oil and gas companies like BP pledged real $$$ to expand the public DC fast charging network.

Speaking of gas companies investing in DC fast charging... This is a recently rebuilt Shell station in my neck of the woods. Only 50KW, though, and pricing was not apparent.