[Jason]

Drag Race and Brake Distance Test: X5M Competition vs. iX xDrive 50

[ScullyD]

That's extremely impressive for the iX considering it's down about 80hp and weighs 700 pounds more.

To quote Chris Harris "I like it when my toys do well".

[hellokitty]

I really want to see iX M60i vs x5m competition

[Paladin1]

And not the M60i. Pretty impressive....

[Luminor513]

More and more nails in the coffin for ICE performance cars. This is impressive although I was hoping the X5M comp would do much better.

[P1]

Originally Posted by Luminor513

More and more nails in the coffin for ICE performance cars. This is impressive although I was hoping the X5M comp would do much better.

Why would these be considered "nails in the coffin for ICE cars"? Because folks only have one criteria when purchasing a vehicle and that's how fast it gets to 60 mph?

Until manufacturers completely stop producing them, plenty of us will continue to choose the screaming and obnoxious inline 6s, V8s, V10s and V12s.

How fast a vehicle gets to 60 mph is pretty far down the bottom of my list when choosing a vehicle. Same goes for how quickly it goes around the 'Ring. Cute statistic, but that's about it.

[GOLFFRR]

wow thats awesome

[Hoa]

Impressive considering it's not even the M60i. I wish they did a few more launch and a few rolling pull just to make sure.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by P1

Why would these be considered "nails in the coffin for ICE cars"? Because folks only have one criteria when purchasing a vehicle and that's how fast it gets to 60 mph?

Until manufacturers completely stop producing them, plenty of us will continue to choose the screaming and obnoxious inline 6s, V8s, V10s and V12s.

How fast a vehicle gets to 60 mph is pretty far down the bottom of my list when choosing a vehicle. Same goes for how quickly it goes around the 'Ring. Cute statistic, but that's about it.

6k lbs beast with mini trunk and no frunk at what price ?? wohoo total win

[Luminor513]

Originally Posted by P1

Why would these be considered "nails in the coffin for ICE cars"? Because folks only have one criteria when purchasing a vehicle and that's how fast it gets to 60 mph?

Until manufacturers completely stop producing them, plenty of us will continue to choose the screaming and obnoxious inline 6s, V8s, V10s and V12s.

How fast a vehicle gets to 60 mph is pretty far down the bottom of my list when choosing a vehicle. Same goes for how quickly it goes around the 'Ring. Cute statistic, but that's about it.

The taycan pretty much refutes your entire position. Minus the screaming engine. It's inevitable that electric vehicles will continue to get better and better dynamically, not just 0-60.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by P1

Why would these be considered "nails in the coffin for ICE cars"? Because folks only have one criteria when purchasing a vehicle and that's how fast it gets to 60 mph?

Until manufacturers completely stop producing them, plenty of us will continue to choose the screaming and obnoxious inline 6s, V8s, V10s and V12s.

How fast a vehicle gets to 60 mph is pretty far down the bottom of my list when choosing a vehicle. Same goes for how quickly it goes around the 'Ring. Cute statistic, but that's about it.

"Why would these be considered "nails in the coffin for ICE cars"? Because folks only have one criteria when purchasing a vehicle and that's how fast it gets to 60 mph? "

You are correct. 0-60 the only thing that matters to 99% of performance car buyers, even if they say otherwise.

It's pretty far down my list as well, personally.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Luminor513

More and more nails in the coffin for ICE performance cars. This is impressive although I was hoping the X5M comp would do much better.

Naw! Not everybody seeks an EV experience. They would sooner purchase an older ICE vehicle than an EV.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

"Why would these be considered "nails in the coffin for ICE cars"? Because folks only have one criteria when purchasing a vehicle and that's how fast it gets to 60 mph? "

You are correct. 0-60 the only thing that matters to 99% of performance car buyers, even if they say otherwise.

If that were the case we would all just skip on over to TESLA and call it a day…..


… but we haven't.

[hugo_nz]

Aaaand…cue the trolls. Lol

[Luminor513]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

If that were the case we would all just skip on over to TESLA and call it a day…..


… but we haven't.

Or Porsche, Mercedes, Audi, BMW, etc. I'm not debating that ICE cars have advantages today, and for many the dynamics of ICE prevail. But the future is EV whether we like it or not. For the record, I have two ICE cars, I don't own an EV. It's just where the auto industry is going, we can all agree to disagree if you have a different point of view.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Luminor513

Or Porsche, Mercedes, Audi, BMW, etc. I'm not debating that ICE cars have advantages today, and for many the dynamics of ICE prevail. But the future is EV whether we like it or not. For the record, I have two ICE cars, I don't own an EV. It's just where the auto industry is going, we can all agree to disagree if you have a different point of view.

I can agree that they will have a range of EV offerings, but I disagree that some big EV takeover is looming. The auto industry knows that a culture shift toward EV's will take many decades……if ever (…at least here in America).

[HUM5INT]

Originally Posted by P1

Why would these be considered "nails in the coffin for ICE cars"? Because folks only have one criteria when purchasing a vehicle and that's how fast it gets to 60 mph?

Until manufacturers completely stop producing them, plenty of us will continue to choose the screaming and obnoxious inline 6s, V8s, V10s and V12s.

How fast a vehicle gets to 60 mph is pretty far down the bottom of my list when choosing a vehicle. Same goes for how quickly it goes around the 'Ring. Cute statistic, but that's about it.

Unless I'm running my car at the track weekly or have some unique paying sponsorship to constantly do a 0-60, that's not my only consideration. Let's face it….most people loving the 0-60 times rarely do it - especially if you live somewhere where it's dense and congested or it has poor weather 75% of the year. I've just never been a fan of electric. I despise having no sound, no vibration, no feel or emotion. I'll always take an ICE. Plus if I'm paying 6 digits for a car and about $6+ for gas….I better be able to hear it, feel it and ruin the air just a tad lol

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by hugo_nz

Aaaand…cue the trolls. Lol

So any time people have varying viewpoints, it's trolling?!?!

[Luminor513]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I can agree that they will have a range of EV offerings, but I disagree that some big EV takeover is looming. The auto industry knows that a culture shift toward EV's will take many decades……if ever (…at least here in America).

It all depends on what your definition is of a takeover. It's going to continue to be subtle at first, few more models here and few more models there, then one day we are all going to look around and see significantly more EV offerings than ICE. We can of course debate how long that transition will take, certainly not decades (plural) but likely within one decade it will be a completely different vehicle landscape. The big transition or looming takeover as you put it, will occur when affordable EV pickup trucks and sedans become widely accessible to the masses. Will there still be some new ICE cars still available for purchase, I'm sure there will be, just like there are still some manual transmission options for new cars. This is a bmw forum, and this slow transition is happening right here at BMW. Next M5 will be hybrid, which certainly signals the future direction bmw Motorsport is heading. If you watched the bmw M-town video closely, there were some Easter eggs in there of EV chargers. Pretty much every new BMW being launched has some EV variant. It's happening right here gentlemen, whether we want to admit it or not.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Luminor513

It all depends on what your definition is of a takeover. It's going to continue to be subtle at first, few more models here and few more models there, then one day we are all going to look around and see significantly more EV offerings than ICE. We can of course debate how long that transition will take, certainly not decades (plural) but likely within one decade it will be a completely different vehicle landscape. The big transition or looming takeover as you put it, will occur when affordable EV pickup trucks and sedans become widely accessible to the masses. Will there still be some new ICE cars still available for purchase, I'm sure there will be, just like there are still some manual transmission options for new cars. This is a bmw forum, and this slow transition is happening right here at BMW. Next M5 will be hybrid, which certainly signals the future direction bmw Motorsport is heading. If you watched the bmw M-town video closely, there were some Easter eggs in there of EV chargers. Pretty much every new BMW being launched has some EV variant. It's happening right here gentlemen, whether we want to admit it or not.

People said the same thing in the late 90's and projected that the Toyota Prius was going to end the ICE. It never materialized the way it was projected. There is a whole class of people (…e.g..financially speaking) that comprise a large portion of the car buying public who are very, very unlikely to go EV. It doesn't make financial or economical sense for them. Most aren't even willing to buy a hybrid!

The high end market and the buyers who shop within that market tend to dabble with EV's; TESLA made EV's "cool." Even still, drive through your lower middle class neighborhoods and you do not see EV's and you do not see a lot of hybrids. You see ICE's, many that are comparable in price to some of the entry level hybrids and EV's. People do not trust EV's in general.

All while people pushed the EV narrative, Ford was still selling nearly a million ICE trucks a year. An EV truck is cool in concept. People with money to burn will give them a try, but it will take a culture shift across the entire U.S. before the EV's even have a chance of outpacing the ICE. We'll revisit this a decade or more from now and I'll be saying, "I told ya' so!"

[Paladin1]

All dependent, of course, on whether gasoline or diesel reaches $10 a gallon. Or $20. We may look back on today as the Golden Age of mythical roaring V8s, to tell stories to our unbelieving grandchildren. Or not. A wise American philosopher once said 'It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."

[brava09]

My problem wit EV is recharging time.

With my M4 I often feel the need to beat the crap out of it, empty the tank in half hour, fill it back in 3 minutes and do it again.

With EV? Not possible, empty the batteries, performance drops and need couple of hours to recharge, not good. I need 3 minutes recharge time, and maintain performance while battery empties