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      11-13-2022, 04:33 PM   #1
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Greeting gents,

I found a YT video showing the difference in a drag race between the xDrive 50 and M60.

The race was not optimal (raining), and both car didn't do their best. The same channel previously tested the M60, and it did 0-62 mph (0-100 kph) in 3.59 against an X6M.

Regardless, it shows the difference in power. M60 has a larger and oil-cooled rear motor, and that's the contributing factor.

Both are very fast for a heavy SUV.

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I didn't really expect such a huge difference in the 100-200kph range. 10.2s for the M60 and 24.4s for the xDrive 50.
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I didn't really expect such a huge difference in the 100-200kph range. 10.2s for the M60 and 24.4s for the xDrive 50.
I havenít tested it over 100, but subjectively 60-90/100ish feels *very* fast in my iX50. Similar to how my X5m felt. I wonder if it starts to tail off a lot once you hit triple digits. I canít test it because it has been in the shop almost 6 weeks with cosmetic damage that never seems to fix.

At this point I just want them to give it back to me and just complete the repair once all the parts are in. It was always perfectly drivable.
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I didn't really expect such a huge difference in the 100-200kph range. 10.2s for the M60 and 24.4s for the xDrive 50.
They show later in the video that the xDrive 50 gets to the upper 190's and then struggles to get to the 200 mark. You can see it in the race box.
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I didn't really expect such a huge difference in the 100-200kph range. 10.2s for the M60 and 24.4s for the xDrive 50.
If I recall, isnít it limited to 125mph or 205kph so perhaps software related than anything else? As I live in the US in a dense state 100mph+ isnít really something I worry about on day to day driving anyway.
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I didn't really expect such a huge difference in the 100-200kph range. 10.2s for the M60 and 24.4s for the xDrive 50.
If I recall, isn’t it limited to 125mph or 205kph so perhaps software related than anything else? As I live in the US in a dense state 100mph+ isn’t really something I worry about on day to day driving anyway.
Yeah, only the 60-100mph time is really of interest in the US, probably, for passing power.
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Not scientific whatsoever as I don’t have a Dragy but just traded my Model Y Performance for the IX50. While the MYP is faster off the line and definitely was no slouch at passing, I actually felt like it was missing a little oomph at higher speeds. If anything the IX50 felt just as fast as the MYP when already in motion when already going faster than 50 MPH. Maybe its just in my head.

I’ve seen some reviews where the reviewer wished the m60 suspension was a little plusher, wonder if that was in personal mode. That is one of the highlights of the IX50 IMO and when I want something firmer, I think sport does a good job. Overall, don’t really miss having the extra power of the m60 which to my understanding is really only in launch mode correct or for short bursts. If it visually looked different and had more bolstering in the seats, maybe would have considered the m60 if both were available to order at the time I ordered the 50. But so far not really feeling like I’m missing out on the m60. Feels pretty sweet spot to me. Same goes with my x5 m50i. Glad I don’t have the base but not sure the full on M is worth it for me (although at least there are visual cues, different handling, and different interior).

Or maybe I’m just getting old…

BTW,l does the m60 or IX50 have the option on the infotainment to show a Sports Display (HP and Torque) similar to the X5 m50i and presumably other X5’s?

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Not scientific whatsoever as I don't have a Dragy but just traded my Model Y Performance for the IX50. While the MYP is faster off the line and definitely was no slouch at passing, I actually felt like it was missing a little oomph at higher speeds. If anything the IX50 felt just as fast as the MYP when already in motion when already going faster than 50 MPH. Maybe its just in my head.

I've seen some reviews where the reviewer wished the m60 suspension was a little plusher, wonder if that was in personal mode. That is one of the highlights of the IX50 IMO and when I want something firmer, I think sport does a good job. Overall, don't really miss having the extra power of the m60 which to my understanding is really only in launch mode correct or for short bursts. If it visually looked different and had more bolstering in the seats, maybe would have considered the m60 if both were available to order at the time I ordered the 50. But so far not really feeling like I'm missing out on the m60. Feels pretty sweet spot to me. Same goes with my x5 m50i. Glad I don't have the base but not sure the full on M is worth it for me (although at least there are visual cues, different handling, and different interior).

Or maybe I'm just getting old…

BTW,l does the m60 or IX50 have the option on the infotainment to show a Sports Display (HP and Torque) similar to the X5 m50i and presumably other X5's?
On the M60, if you switch to sport mode, the adaptive information will switch to hp and torques. Pretty cool graphs.
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Watching two massive bricks lift themselves up and launch on a track. What am I watching... do people find this exciting? They both look faster than most people need. Id get the one with bigger range..

Red car looks nice. That color has grown on me.

Next test / please do a long term road trip, fill it up with bikes, go drive it on bad city roads and tell me how comfy it is.

I have a sports car. I need a family quiet and comfy car. Is this the one?... I dont care about launching it 0-200... May be just me.
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Watching two massive bricks lift themselves up and launch on a track. What am I watching... do people find this exciting? They both look faster than most people need. Id get the one with bigger range..

Red car looks nice. That color has grown on me.

Next test / please do a long term road trip, fill it up with bikes, go drive it on bad city roads and tell me how comfy it is.

I have a sports car. I need a family quiet and comfy car. Is this the one?... I dont care about launching it 0-200... May be just me.
It's helpful to have a general idea of the performance difference between different trims of the same platform. I reposted it on the forum because some of us want more than just pure basic from our car.

Besides, it's a YT video, and no one forces you to watch it.

I find it pretty funny that some people feel the need to justify their purchase. There is really no need to do so since different people have different priorities when it comes to purchasing, and you don't have to justify your purchase to anyone other than yourself. There is a significant performance difference between these two, at least for some of us to consider.

Oh, and range-wise, below is another video showing how M60 actually can have the same or even better range than the 50. That's a fact.

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It's helpful to have a general idea of the performance difference between different trims of the same platform. I reposted it on the forum because some of us want more than just pure basic from our car.

Besides, it's a YT video, and no one forces you to watch it.

I find it pretty funny that some people feel the need to justify their purchase. There is really no need to do so since different people have different priorities when it comes to purchasing, and you don't have to justify your purchase to anyone other than yourself. There is a significant performance difference between these two, at least for some of us to consider.

Oh, and range-wise, below is another video showing how M60 actually can have the same or even better range than the 50. That's a fact.

In exact same trim and conditions the 50 will have more range, that comes with the more powerful motor of the iX 60, the problem is you will never see a test like this as it is almost impossible to do (if you have a 60 with slight downhill / wind in the back warmer conditions Ö, it will beat 50 easily). I found a YT with 345 miles for the 50 versus the 339 Ö but you cannot compare Ö not the same route / conditions.

The difference will be minimal, so you can ask yourself if itís a deal braker to have 10 to 20 miles less range Ö I for one went with the 50, if they make a 60 with more net capacity / faster charging / more range and faster 0 - 100, I definitely would trade up Ö
That is something I do not understand, why a manufacture only bumps the speed and tweak suspension and some software modes Ö Because on public roads that 0-130km/h performance difference is negligible, except for the German autobahn if that is your habitat, get the 60. (The fact they restricted option packs to the 60 was pure to bump/skew sales towards the 60)

On public roads reaction time / driving skills could easily be the factor that determines who will win, but one should never do that on public roads to begin with. (or how well your battery is charged / temperature conditioned it is at that moment etc, My Tesla MXP was notorious ďslowĒ when not all stars where aligned properly)
I came to the conclusion that an SAV/SUV ones under 5 sec is more than enough for me ) At least BMW should have no problem doing these launches repeatedly, my MXP needed new driveshafts every so often when I launched it Ö friend of mine is already on is third replacement within a year.
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I havenít tested it over 100, but subjectively 60-90/100ish feels *very* fast in my iX50. Similar to how my X5m felt. I wonder if it starts to tail off a lot once you hit triple digits. I canít test it because it has been in the shop almost 6 weeks with cosmetic damage that never seems to fix.

At this point I just want them to give it back to me and just complete the repair once all the parts are in. It was always perfectly drivable.
My i4 m50 certainly does tail off in the triple digits... even over 90ish it's noticeable and the limiter certainly doesn't help. No big deal for me anymore, it's helped me calm down a bit knowing that I can't put a few miles between me and most others if needed.
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It's helpful to have a general idea of the performance difference between different trims of the same platform. I reposted it on the forum because some of us want more than just pure basic from our car.

Besides, it's a YT video, and no one forces you to watch it.

I find it pretty funny that some people feel the need to justify their purchase. There is really no need to do so since different people have different priorities when it comes to purchasing, and you don't have to justify your purchase to anyone other than yourself. There is a significant performance difference between these two, at least for some of us to consider.

Oh, and range-wise, below is another video showing how M60 actually can have the same or even better range than the 50. That's a fact.

In exact same trim and conditions the 50 will have more range, that comes with the more powerful motor of the iX 60, the problem is you will never see a test like this as it is almost impossible to do (if you have a 60 with slight downhill / wind in the back warmer conditions …, it will beat 50 easily). I found a YT with 345 miles for the 50 versus the 339 … but you cannot compare … not the same route / conditions.

The difference will be minimal, so you can ask yourself if it’s a deal braker to have 10 to 20 miles less range … I for one went with the 50, if they make a 60 with more net capacity / faster charging / more range and faster 0 - 100, I definitely would trade up …
That is something I do not understand, why a manufacture only bumps the speed and tweak suspension and some software modes … Because on public roads that 0-130km/h performance difference is negligible, except for the German autobahn if that is your habitat, get the 60. (The fact they restricted option packs to the 60 was pure to bump/skew sales towards the 60)

On public roads reaction time / driving skills could easily be the factor that determines who will win, but one should never do that on public roads to begin with. (or how well your battery is charged / temperature conditioned it is at that moment etc, My Tesla MXP was notorious “slow” when not all stars where aligned properly)
I came to the conclusion that an SAV/SUV ones under 5 sec is more than enough for me ) At least BMW should have no problem doing these launches repeatedly, my MXP needed new driveshafts every so often when I launched it … friend of mine is already on is third replacement within a year.
Like I said, if you like the 50, I'm happy for you. 50 is far more than enough for most people, especially in the US, where the speed limit is restricted.

I just don't like some people trying to justify their purchasing by saying M60 is "not fast enough," "not different enough," or "no one needs the extra speed," or blah blah blah.

Not all of us made our purchases based on need. I got my M60 because I wanted it. That's all.
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Like I said, if you like the 50, I'm happy for you. 50 is far more than enough for most people, especially in the US, where the speed limit is restricted.

I just don't like some people trying to justify their purchasing by saying M60 is "not fast enough," "not different enough," or "no one needs the extra speed," or blah blah blah.

Not all of us made our purchases based on need. I got my M60 because I wanted it. That's all.
You are entitled to your opinion, as we 50 buyers are entitled to say the difference was to small not to go for the 60 Ö
Your reaction seems strange, and yeah I would have bought a 60 if it really was faster in speed (on public roads, implying acceleration, not so much top speed or how much faster it is from 150 to 200 Ö that is utterly worthless besides the autobahn) and charging, and had at least the same or better range, would have gladly paid for it.

Anyway, they just announced new battery tech that will give better range and performance, so Iím really happy I went for the 50, Iíll jump to the next iteration when it uses the new architecture. Faster charging, longer range (rumours speak 30% for both) and power up to 1300HP.
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Like I said, if you like the 50, I'm happy for you. 50 is far more than enough for most people, especially in the US, where the speed limit is restricted.

I just don't like some people trying to justify their purchasing by saying M60 is "not fast enough," "not different enough," or "no one needs the extra speed," or blah blah blah.

Not all of us made our purchases based on need. I got my M60 because I wanted it. That's all.
You are entitled to your opinion, as we 50 buyers are entitled to say the difference was to small not to go for the 60 …
Your reaction seems strange, and yeah I would have bought a 60 if it really was faster in speed (on public roads, implying acceleration, not so much top speed or how much faster it is from 150 to 200 … that is utterly worthless besides the autobahn) and charging, and had at least the same or better range, would have gladly paid for it.

Anyway, they just announced new battery tech that will give better range and performance, so I'm really happy I went for the 50, I'll jump to the next iteration when it uses the new architecture. Faster charging, longer range (rumours speak 30% for both) and power up to 1300HP.
My man, you are, of course, entitled to say whatever you want out of your mind. It's your right. Just don't say this type of nonsense in front of us M60 buyers, telling us we wasted our money because you cannot see the difference in everyday performance, etc., etc., and not expecting a pushback from one of us.

There are multiple forum members who have traded their 50 for M60, and I don't expect you to understand why, since according to you, the additional performance is "utterly useless".

Again, everyone has reasons for what they value the most regarding their purchase. If you don't think sub 4 secs 0-60 makes a big difference than sub 5 secs, that's your choice, and that's fine with me.

And I am sad you found my reaction strange when I said I felt happy for you if you were happy with your 50.
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And I am sad you found my reaction strange when I said I felt happy for you if you were happy with your 50.
That was on your initial reaction to Tallest, where you find it pretty funny that 50 owners try to justify their purchase and then you go on and do exactly the same by trying to claim the 60 has a same / better range which is of course not possible.
Anyway I tried the 60 and frankly I felt almost no difference. I did the same when I bought the Model X and boy there is a huge difference between performance and standard version, day and night that is why I bought the performance Ö
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And I am sad you found my reaction strange when I said I felt happy for you if you were happy with your 50.
That was on your initial reaction to Tallest, where you find it pretty funny that 50 owners try to justify their purchase and then you go on and do exactly the same by trying to claim the 60 has a same / better range which is of course not possible.
Anyway I tried the 60 and frankly I felt almost no difference. I did the same when I bought the Model X and boy there is a huge difference between performance and standard version, day and night that is why I bought the performance …
Enjoy your 60 man, all the best.
Sure, all the range tests are lying, and all the performance reviews are fake, I got you. Just be happy about your purchase, I guess.

And in case you missed it, even in the original post and my reply to you, I said the same thing. Both cars are fast for heavy SUVs, and the performance of 50 is more than enough for most people in the states.
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Sure, all the range tests are lying, and all the performance reviews are fake, I got you. Just be happy about your purchase, I guess.

And in case you missed it, even in the original post and my reply to you, I said the same thing. Both cars are fast for heavy SUVs, and the performance of 50 is more than enough for most people in the states.
Yeah I guess BMW on purpose gave the 60 a lower EPA / WLTP rating just to make 50 owners all fussy and warm.
Your YT mentions 339 miles I found a 50 test at the same 70 miles /h doing 345miles (InsideEV) even though the ď50Ē won, you cannot compare, the only thing you can compare is the EPA rating, these are done in a controlled way Ö

And yeah I would have bought the 60 if it was under 3 seconds like my MXP.
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Sure, all the range tests are lying, and all the performance reviews are fake, I got you. Just be happy about your purchase, I guess.

And in case you missed it, even in the original post and my reply to you, I said the same thing. Both cars are fast for heavy SUVs, and the performance of 50 is more than enough for most people in the states.
Yeah I guess BMW on purpose gave the 60 a lower EPA / WLTP rating just to make 50 owners all fussy and warm.
Your YT mentions 339 miles I found a 50 test at the same 70 miles /h doing 345miles (InsideEV) even though the “50” won, you cannot compare, the only thing you can compare is the EPA rating, these are done in a controlled way …

And yeah I would have bought the 60 if it was under 3 seconds like my MXP.
My man, if you are happy, I'm so glad for you.

I'm not your daddy, and you don't need to get approval from me. You don't have to justify your reasoning to me. I understand it perfectly, which is why, again, I said both cars are fast for heavy SUVs.

I guess I have PTSD from my old X5M forum where 40i owners are saying in their daily commute, their 40i is as fast as the M.

Just be happy and enjoy your 50.
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Play nice children. 40, 50 and M60 are all great cars with plenty enough power to go around. As we move to an all-electric future launching and super-high speeds will become less and less important since speed = resistance = less range. The M60 is a beast off the line, sure. In a rolling race the gap narrows, sure. Does it matter? Yes, to some people it does. 50 drivers are saying there's not enough difference between the 50 and M60, while M60 drivers are defending their patch. Meanwhile, the 40 can be specced to look like an M60 and no one will be able to tell the difference. Who cares? Just enjoy the car you purchased and for now, let's all try to get along
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Play nice children. 40, 50 and M60 are all great cars with plenty enough power to go around. As we move to an all-electric future launching and super-high speeds will become less and less important since speed = resistance = less range. The M60 is a beast off the line, sure. In a rolling race the gap narrows, sure. Does it matter? Yes, to some people it does. 50 drivers are saying there's not enough difference between the 50 and M60, while M60 drivers are defending their patch. Meanwhile, the 40 can be specced to look like an M60 and no one will be able to tell the difference. Who cares? Just enjoy the car you purchased and for now, let's all try to get along
I agree with you completely. People should be happy about their purchases without saying others' choices are "utterly useless." It's just not right in my book. I have been stating that both the 50 and M60 are fast vehicles from the very beginning.
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      11-14-2022, 08:30 PM   #22
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Isn’t it limited to 125mph or 205kph, so perhaps software related than anything else? As I live in the US in a dense state, 100mph+ isn’t something I worry about daily while driving.
The top speed in the iX is not only software limited; it is also restricted by gear ratio and motor speed. The maximum speed of these motors is 15,400 rpm. By using a rear drive-unit ratio of 11.12:1 in the xDrive50 and 8.77:1 in the M60, each variant maximizes the torque leverage available at all speeds up to the rated top speed.

Link: https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023...ors-explained/
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