[VirtualGuitars]

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We beat Tesla, but not MB…. Full story here:

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars...w-a2103632203/

[Dan UK]

Seems a bit meaningless as:

- they don't distinguish between models. e.g. IX has Mobileye v5 whereas other models have older versions.
- presumably almost all companies are using 3rd party tech anyway!

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by Dan UK

Seems a bit meaningless as:

- they don't distinguish between models. e.g. IX has Mobileye v5 whereas other models have older versions.
- presumably almost all companies are using 3rd party tech anyway!

For BMW, they’re just covering Drive Assistant Professional in general. In theory, the software is the same across all of the vehicles that use it. As in life, it’s only up to the guy doing the test!

[werdn]

Honestly the only important metric there is the capabilities and performance. That’s the whole point driving assistance systems.

It’s like measuring the capability and performance of a sports car but also including the ease of getting into the car as a metric

[RCtennis3811]

Strange that Mercedes-Benz ranked higher than BMW when not all of their cars have a Direct Driver Monitoring System (DDMS) when you choose Driving Assistance Package like BMW models have when you choose Driving Assistance Professional. For example, there’s no eye-tracking cameras in the new C-Class, but there is in the S-Class. Meanwhile, the 3-Series has had DDMS since 2019. 🤷‍♂️

[ubchariot]

Have a Tesla with FSD and bmw with drivier assistant pro. Have to say there is no way BMW can beat Tesla in driver assistant software. Tesla is just much more capable.

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by ubchariot

Have a Tesla with FSD and bmw with drivier assistant pro. Have to say there is no way BMW can beat Tesla in driver assistant software. Tesla is just much more capable.

I’m assuming they weren’t using the FSD beta for the test since it hasn’t been released yet…

[Paladin1]

As above, the writer didn't seem to be aware of BMW's driver monitoring system or emergency stop features, all of which they touted for GM and Ford. BMW actually does require hands-on-wheel and eyes ahead, none of which was mentioned. I (usually) trust CR for washing machine reviews, et al, but little else, especially related to cars. Again, models weren't generally mentioned, or how they tested them.

[ubchariot]

Originally Posted by VirtualGuitars

I’m assuming they weren’t using the FSD beta for the test since it hasn’t been released yet…

It’s public beta now. Anyone in US/Canada subscribed or purchased have access to it now.

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by ubchariot

It’s public beta now. Anyone in US/Canada subscribed or purchased have access to it now.

Totally understand that, but I seriously doubt consumer reports used any beta software to perform an industry wide comparison test like that. That’s all I’m saying.

[Paladin1]

Originally Posted by ubchariot

Have a Tesla with FSD and bmw with drivier assistant pro. Have to say there is no way BMW can beat Tesla in driver assistant software. Tesla is just much more capable.

Well, there's this, posted somewhere in this forum:

[ubchariot]

Originally Posted by VirtualGuitars

Totally understand that, but I seriously doubt consumer reports used any beta software to perform an industry wide comparison test like that. That’s all I’m saying.

They could be testing basic autopilot. But any software is a “beta” by its nature, whether they have the label on it or not.

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by ubchariot

They could be testing basic autopilot. But any software is a “beta” by its nature, whether they have the label on it or not.

Now you’re talking my language (I’m a cloud security architect for a three letter insurance company).

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by ubchariot

It’s public beta now. Anyone in US/Canada subscribed or purchased have access to it now.

But they have not asked anyone for certification be cause it lacks redundancy in the sensors. Nothing that lacks redundancy can ever be beyond L2+.

Mercedes has regulatory approval for L3 in Nevada. Driver needs to be in the car but not pay attention or have hands on the wheel.

[VirtualGuitars]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

But they have not asked anyone for certification be cause it lacks redundancy in the sensors. Nothing that lacks redundancy can ever be beyond L2+.

Mercedes has regulatory approval for L3 in Nevada. Driver needs to be in the car but not pay attention or have hands on the wheel.

Now that would be one scary first drive! I was really happy to use the L2 features of my new iX M60 as the dealership that I bought it from was 3 1/2 hours away. It was nice being driven almost the entire way home.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by ubchariot

Have a Tesla with FSD and bmw with drivier assistant pro. Have to say there is no way BMW can beat Tesla in driver assistant software. Tesla is just much more capable.

We'll try to "self park" a Tesla.

Adaptive cruise in a Tesla is only good to 80mph. That limitation is because it's a vision only system.

Tesla requires hands on wheel in all situations.
BMW does not require hands on wheel for traffic jam assistant below 40mph. BMW will auto re-engage when you go above 50 and drop back down. Tesla will not.

There is plenty Tesla FSD won't do and the first is anything with hands off the wheel. Mercedes, BMW, GM and Ford all support hands free at some speed. Tesla does not at any speed.

[ubchariot]

Originally Posted by Paladin1

Well, there's this, posted somewhere in this forum:

Anyone trying FSD the first time will be a little bit scared because they don’t know how the car will behave in certain situations. But it’s not hard to predict FSD’s move once you ride with it after a couple of times. You know there are certain scenarios FSD is not doing very well, then just take over ahead. It can still handle majority of the boring commute.

[Paladin1]

These guys are experienced EV reviewers, and Tesla owners. I think they have it pretty much nailed, starting at about 35:20. Beta, so there's obviously room for improvement, within the system limits.

[ubchariot]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

Adaptive cruise in a Tesla is only good to 80mph. That limitation is because it's a vision only system.

It can do 85mph with vision only.

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

BMW does not require hands on wheel for traffic jam assistant below 40mph. BMW will auto re-engage when you go above 50 and drop back down. Tesla will not.

BMW (I assume GM/Ford probably very similar situation) can only let you "hands free" in a very limited situation. you see a traffic light, you have to take over the control. you see a stop sign, you have to take over the control. you see a sharp turn, you have to take over the control. And there are so many more situations like this... Saying those systems offer hands free driving is really meaningless in the real world. Do you drive only 50 mph on the highway?

[Bimmerfun82]

I have a tesla with basic autopilot and this bmw driver assistance package on both of our bmws. I strongly prefer the bmw approach, particularly for automatic lane change (that’s part of enhanced autopilot for $6k) and better lane control (the tesla bounces back and forth a lot). The tesla phantom brakes, and it is a near death experience every time. Happens about once every two weeks on the highway, usually if there’s a shadow from a bridge. I mainly use the bmw system in the carpool lane and on long trips. I don’t trust it around surface streets unless it’s low speed stop and go traffic. Tesla works in those cases very well also. I imagine full self drive would be far superior to the bmw system though - my friend has it and uses it all the time.

[moesess34]

The Tesla self parking situation is embarrassing. I’ve seen cars from the 2010 do a better job.

[moesess34]

Originally Posted by ubchariot

BMW (I assume GM/Ford probably very similar situation) can only let you "hands free" in a very limited situation. you see a traffic light, you have to take over the control. you see a stop sign, you have to take over the control. you see a sharp turn, you have to take over the control. And there are so many more situations like this... Saying those systems offer hands free driving is really meaningless in the real world. Do you drive only 50 mph on the highway?

The Ford version can do at least 80 hands free. And the bmw version in the i7 works up to 85.