01-26-2023, 02:29 PM | #1 |
Major General
7856
Rep 5,796
Posts
Drives: 2024 BMW XM Label
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Houston, TX
|
BMW places 4th in Consumer Reports Driving Assistant System Ranking
Featured on BIMMERPOST.com https://www.consumerreports.org/cars...w-a2103632203/ |
Appreciate
9
ggalanis2436.00 deutsch1003897.00 drbluedevil828.50 Paladin15527.00 awhk88.00 storm316321.00 DocWeatherington2932.50 g05_45e18.00 BigBad110.00 |
01-26-2023, 04:27 PM | #2 |
New Member
12
Rep 14
Posts |
Seems a bit meaningless as:
- they don't distinguish between models. e.g. IX has Mobileye v5 whereas other models have older versions. - presumably almost all companies are using 3rd party tech anyway! |
Appreciate
1
VirtualGuitars7855.50 |
01-26-2023, 05:55 PM | #3 |
Major General
7856
Rep 5,796
Posts
Drives: 2024 BMW XM Label
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Houston, TX
|
For BMW, they’re just covering Drive Assistant Professional in general. In theory, the software is the same across all of the vehicles that use it. As in life, it’s only up to the guy doing the test!
|
Appreciate
0
|
01-26-2023, 07:01 PM | #4 |
Lieutenant
656
Rep 472
Posts
Drives: 997.1 GT3 Shark, ex E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Palos Verdes Peninsula (Los Angeles)
|
Honestly the only important metric there is the capabilities and performance. That’s the whole point driving assistance systems.
It’s like measuring the capability and performance of a sports car but also including the ease of getting into the car as a metric |
01-26-2023, 07:02 PM | #5 |
Lieutenant
466
Rep 516
Posts |
Strange that Mercedes-Benz ranked higher than BMW when not all of their cars have a Direct Driver Monitoring System (DDMS) when you choose Driving Assistance Package like BMW models have when you choose Driving Assistance Professional. For example, there’s no eye-tracking cameras in the new C-Class, but there is in the S-Class. Meanwhile, the 3-Series has had DDMS since 2019. 🤷‍♂️
__________________
2023 BMW M340i xDrive
2020 BMW 330i xDrive 2018 BMW X3 xDrive30i |
Appreciate
1
volodp196.50 |
01-26-2023, 07:07 PM | #6 |
Private
102
Rep 78
Posts |
Have a Tesla with FSD and bmw with drivier assistant pro. Have to say there is no way BMW can beat Tesla in driver assistant software. Tesla is just much more capable.
|
Appreciate
4
|
01-26-2023, 07:08 PM | #7 |
Major General
7856
Rep 5,796
Posts
Drives: 2024 BMW XM Label
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Houston, TX
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
01-26-2023, 07:10 PM | #8 |
Brigadier General
5527
Rep 4,488
Posts
Drives: 2022 iX xDrive50, DGM
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Midwest
|
As above, the writer didn't seem to be aware of BMW's driver monitoring system or emergency stop features, all of which they touted for GM and Ford. BMW actually does require hands-on-wheel and eyes ahead, none of which was mentioned. I (usually) trust CR for washing machine reviews, et al, but little else, especially related to cars. Again, models weren't generally mentioned, or how they tested them.
|
01-26-2023, 07:10 PM | #9 |
Private
102
Rep 78
Posts |
|
Appreciate
1
VirtualGuitars7855.50 |
01-26-2023, 07:13 PM | #10 |
Major General
7856
Rep 5,796
Posts
Drives: 2024 BMW XM Label
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Houston, TX
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
01-26-2023, 07:13 PM | #11 |
Brigadier General
5527
Rep 4,488
Posts
Drives: 2022 iX xDrive50, DGM
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Midwest
|
|
Appreciate
3
|
01-26-2023, 07:20 PM | #12 |
Private
102
Rep 78
Posts |
They could be testing basic autopilot. But any software is a “beta” by its nature, whether they have the label on it or not.
|
Appreciate
1
VirtualGuitars7855.50 |
01-26-2023, 07:22 PM | #14 | |
Lieutenant Colonel
1856
Rep 1,964
Posts |
Quote:
Mercedes has regulatory approval for L3 in Nevada. Driver needs to be in the car but not pay attention or have hands on the wheel.
__________________
Arctic Metallic\CF Splitters,Spoiler, Mirror Covers\LED Tails\LSD\Tinted\Coded\Apex SM10-19"\LED Angel Eyes\Gloss Black Grill\Integrated V1\M-Performance Brakes\Cobb Tuned\xHP Flash ->
|
|
Appreciate
1
VirtualGuitars7855.50 |
01-26-2023, 07:23 PM | #15 | |
Major General
7856
Rep 5,796
Posts
Drives: 2024 BMW XM Label
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Houston, TX
|
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
3
|
01-26-2023, 07:26 PM | #16 | |
Lieutenant Colonel
1856
Rep 1,964
Posts |
Quote:
Adaptive cruise in a Tesla is only good to 80mph. That limitation is because it's a vision only system. Tesla requires hands on wheel in all situations. BMW does not require hands on wheel for traffic jam assistant below 40mph. BMW will auto re-engage when you go above 50 and drop back down. Tesla will not. There is plenty Tesla FSD won't do and the first is anything with hands off the wheel. Mercedes, BMW, GM and Ford all support hands free at some speed. Tesla does not at any speed.
__________________
Arctic Metallic\CF Splitters,Spoiler, Mirror Covers\LED Tails\LSD\Tinted\Coded\Apex SM10-19"\LED Angel Eyes\Gloss Black Grill\Integrated V1\M-Performance Brakes\Cobb Tuned\xHP Flash ->
|
|
Appreciate
3
|
01-26-2023, 07:28 PM | #17 | |
Private
102
Rep 78
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
3
|
01-26-2023, 07:33 PM | #18 |
Brigadier General
5527
Rep 4,488
Posts
Drives: 2022 iX xDrive50, DGM
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Midwest
|
These guys are experienced EV reviewers, and Tesla owners. I think they have it pretty much nailed, starting at about 35:20. Beta, so there's obviously room for improvement, within the system limits.
|
Appreciate
2
VirtualGuitars7855.50 volodp196.50 |
01-26-2023, 07:43 PM | #19 | |
Private
102
Rep 78
Posts |
Quote:
BMW (I assume GM/Ford probably very similar situation) can only let you "hands free" in a very limited situation. you see a traffic light, you have to take over the control. you see a stop sign, you have to take over the control. you see a sharp turn, you have to take over the control. And there are so many more situations like this... Saying those systems offer hands free driving is really meaningless in the real world. Do you drive only 50 mph on the highway? |
|
Appreciate
0
|
01-26-2023, 07:45 PM | #20 |
Brigadier General
6973
Rep 3,310
Posts |
I have a tesla with basic autopilot and this bmw driver assistance package on both of our bmws. I strongly prefer the bmw approach, particularly for automatic lane change (that’s part of enhanced autopilot for $6k) and better lane control (the tesla bounces back and forth a lot). The tesla phantom brakes, and it is a near death experience every time. Happens about once every two weeks on the highway, usually if there’s a shadow from a bridge. I mainly use the bmw system in the carpool lane and on long trips. I don’t trust it around surface streets unless it’s low speed stop and go traffic. Tesla works in those cases very well also. I imagine full self drive would be far superior to the bmw system though - my friend has it and uses it all the time.
|
Appreciate
3
|
01-26-2023, 07:53 PM | #21 |
Lieutenant
587
Rep 421
Posts |
The Tesla self parking situation is embarrassing. I’ve seen cars from the 2010 do a better job.
|
Appreciate
2
Bimmerfun826972.50 VirtualGuitars7855.50 |
01-26-2023, 08:00 PM | #22 | |
Lieutenant
587
Rep 421
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|