[xueju1121]

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Morning gents, I have found a video showcasing the difference in performance and consumption between the M60 and 50i. The video also includes the Panamera Turbo S (previous gen) as the base reference, but you can ignore it.

To summarize, M60 is faster. But the more exciting date is the similarity in consumption. Despite the lower EPA-rated range, the M60, in this case, to say at least, has the same, if not in some categories, better efficiency than the 50i.

For those who don't have the time to go through the 6 minutes video, I have also attached a screenshot of the summarized data below.

Enjoy.

[sor]

Yeah, not surprised at all given the personal experiences on the forum. In practice it didn’t seem to be lagging behind at all on range compared to the 50. Kind of a shame that some people expressed they wanted an M60 but opted for the 50 to get better range.

BMW clearly downgraded the EPA numbers generally, probably to help make them more realistic for winter, and also downgraded the M60 assuming some spirited driving - but you don’t have to drive that way.

[ricerboi]

I’m probably in the minority in getting the 50 (waited 13 months for after pre-ordering July 2021) vs the M60. I have an i4 M50 as a loaner right now and WOW I’m addicted to the extra power. Definitely going to be disappointed at the “slow” iX 50 when I get it back from the dealer.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by xueju1121

I have also attached a screenshot of the summarized data below.

Enjoy.

I think this version of their summarized table is better.

[Pictor]

I have similar M60 performance in my M850i now and I don't really want that in the iX. The acceleration is loads of fun especially with the exhaust note on the M850i which has a much better sound than my prior M550i. In my case I want respectable acceleration but I don't want to piss off my passengers so 0-60 in the mid 4's is the sweet spot. Now, if the M60 had a tri-motor setup with torque vectoring... in that case, the passengers can bring their own barf bags.

[Croddlebopper]

Im interested in this data as I’m expecting an M60 but it tends to fly in the face of most other tests which I’ve seen or read.

Would very interested to hear of any owner feedback on M60 consumption.

I think it’s true that if you’re in Sport mode and hit the ‘not loud’ pedal, the energy consumption is very high, twin Inverters pushing out up to 1,200 Amps, but that’s just physics and no one can defy that.

But maybe in efficient mode with the Inverters dialled back the energy consumption is similar to the 50?

I guess the picture will become clearer in a few months when more data points are recorded.

[jackaleyess]

I will get the Turbo S anytime. EV is just not the future.

[darylp310]

Originally Posted by jackaleyess

I will get the Turbo S anytime. EV is just not the future.

jackaleyess are you from Malaysia? I saw some interesting Youtube videos from Bobby Ang driving the BMW IX. He obviously had some trouble with charging and range:

Is your country going to mandate EV sales soon too? We're going to have no choice here in the US in a few years anyways!

[jackaleyess]

Originally Posted by darylp310

jackaleyess are you from Malaysia? I saw some interesting Youtube videos from Bobby Ang driving the BMW IX. He obviously had some trouble with charging and range: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umYuoVyq0cE

Is your country going to mandate EV sales soon too? We're going to have no choice here in the US in a few years anyways!

Hi man, yes im from Malaysia. I have come across the video by Bobby Ang too. Wow, cant believe Bobby’s fame is everywhere even in the US.

Well as for the EV sales, yes our government trying to encourage EV sales but they do not enforce. And in Malaysia, our EV infrastructure is still lacking behind EU and US. Therefore, most of us still prefer ICE or PHEV.

Well for me im hardcore ICE fan. Just gotten myself a 911 and wont convert to EV anytime soon. Hahahah.

[xueju1121]

Originally Posted by jackaleyess

I will get the Turbo S anytime. EV is just not the future.

I would argue that EV is the future, but for many people and markets, the future is not ready for them yet due to the lack of infrastructure and other factors.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by jackaleyess

I will get the Turbo S anytime. EV is just not the future.

Of course it is! In the next 10-15 years there will be entire countries that ban the sale of gasoline cars. The future is coming whether or not you are ready.

[jackaleyess]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

Of course it is! In the next 10-15 years there will be entire countries that ban the sale of gasoline cars. The future is coming whether or not you are ready.

Not yet in my country, they are only planning to implement ban of ICE by 2050-2060. Hahaha. By that time i wont be around to the world turning upsidedown.

[tuffcalc]

I have an M60 and regularly beat the iX 50 EPA ratings.

[Louis_BE]

The M60 consumes more (I trust a controlled test by BMW more than some table napkin test/calculation), but the differences are so small that all these tests just have a different outcome because of the margin of error. So in short you will be hard pressed to see a real world difference in range.
I just beat an M60 at the traffic light, on the next light he opened the window and asked if I had a 60 (have no badge, previous owner ordered one without …) guess my old reflexes where quicker, or his battery was colder (I had a fresh charge and it was -3C). If there was one thing my MXP was better at, it was stop light racing, but that occasion is like once a year so I will live I guess, and I will never challenge a 60 again as it is faster.

[xueju1121]

Originally Posted by Louis_BE

The M60 consumes more (I trust a controlled test by BMW more than some table napkin test/calculation), but the differences are so small that all these tests just have a different outcome because of the margin of error. So in short you will be hard pressed to see a real world difference in range.
I just beat an M60 at the traffic light, on the next light he opened the window and asked if I had a 60 (have no badge, previous owner ordered one without …) guess my old reflexes where quicker, or his battery was colder (I had a fresh charge and it was -3C). If there was one thing my MXP was better at, it was stop light racing, but that occasion is like once a year so I will live I guess, and I will never challenge a 60 again as it is faster.

Sure, your 50i is both faster and more efficient than M60. Got it, chief.

[Young04]

Originally Posted by Louis_BE

The M60 consumes more (I trust a controlled test by BMW more than some table napkin test/calculation), but the differences are so small that all these tests just have a different outcome because of the margin of error. So in short you will be hard pressed to see a real world difference in range.
I just beat an M60 at the traffic light, on the next light he opened the window and asked if I had a 60 (have no badge, previous owner ordered one without …) guess my old reflexes where quicker, or his battery was colder (I had a fresh charge and it was -3C). If there was one thing my MXP was better at, it was stop light racing, but that occasion is like once a year so I will live I guess, and I will never challenge a 60 again as it is faster.

My guess is that the other driver did not put his car in sport mode. I just learned that if you do not in an M60, the horsepower is basically the same as a 50.

[xueju1121]

Originally Posted by Young04

My guess is that the other driver did not put his car in sport mode. I just learned that if you do not in an M60, the horsepower is basically the same as a 50.

In non Sport mode, M60 has about 20 more horsepower and 185 lb-ft more torque. Sport mode increases the hp to 610, and launch control increases the overall torque to 811 lb-ft. So even in non Sport mode, it is doubtful a 50 can outrun an M60. The only reason I can think of is that the other driver didn’t race/step on the peddle, or his car was in Efficient, which retunes the pedal curve.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by xueju1121

Sure, your 50i is both faster and more efficient than M60. Got it, chief.

It's not necessary to be rude and snarky to others with whom you disagree. If not in sport mode, there appears to be no difference between the models. You have to use launch mode to get the full HP and torque? Is this a bad joke? People buying the M60 want the extra power and torque available at all times, not just in special modes that must be selected every time. Launch mode is essentially a useless party trick, unfortunately, that is the only way to get full HP and torque. If you hold down the pedals for too long in launch mode, the experience shuts down. How useful?

[xueju1121]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

It's not necessary to be rude and snarky to others with whom you disagree. If not in sport mode, there appears to be no difference between the models. You have to use launch mode to get the full HP and torque? Is this a bad joke? People buying the M60 want the extra power and torque available at all times, not just in special modes that must be selected every time. Launch mode is essentially a useless party trick, unfortunately, that is the only way to get full HP and torque. If you hold down the pedals for too long in launch mode, the experience shuts down. How useful?

You probably don’t know, but there is a reason why I said what I said to him/her. I’m not going to soak you in all the background. If you are interested, feel free to check my other posts. My argument here is not about the power, but how his 50 is “magically” quicker and more efficient and how he was constantly ignoring the difference between trims, despite various feedbacks, experiences, and third-party data, as if us M60 owners are a bunch of morons. Enough is enough. IMO, 40, 50, and M60 are all excellent vehicles, and each one suits the different demands of different groups. Just don't try to justify one’s own purchase by saying the others are useless. It’s childish.

Getting back to the topic, you don’t need Launch control to get full HP. Launch control only enables more torque. Yes, I agree with you. BMW should make the maximum system output available in every mode. But if every brand is doing this (MB, Porsche, Tesla, etc.), then there must be a reason behind it. Good thing that BMW rarely limits the power and regen regardless of SOC and temperature.

[Louis_BE]

Originally Posted by xueju1121

You probably don’t know, but there is a reason why I said what I said to him/her. I’m not going to soak you in all the background. If you are interested, feel free to check my other posts. My argument here is not about the power, but how his 50 is “magically” quicker and more efficient and how he was constantly ignoring the difference between trims, despite various feedbacks, experiences, and third-party data, as if us M60 owners are a bunch of morons. Enough is enough. IMO, 40, 50, and M60 are all excellent vehicles, and each one suits the different demands of different groups. Just don't try to justify one’s own purchase by saying the others are useless. It’s childish.

Getting back to the topic, you don’t need Launch control to get full HP. Launch control only enables more torque. Yes, I agree with you. BMW should make the maximum system output available in every mode. But if every brand is doing this (MB, Porsche, Tesla, etc.), then there must be a reason behind it. Good thing that BMW rarely limits the power and regen regardless of SOC and temperature.

The guy was in sport mode, as was I …
But it was cold and I had a warm and 80% battery … and probably a better reaction time, and of course it was not to insane speed, it was a 70km/h limited road and we got to about 90 km/h before we needed to stop to the next red light …
In summer I guess the M60 would easily pull away if the stretch on public road is long enough, the difference with an M50 is just to small to make a big gap on short stretches, my MXP on the other hand … but there as well, I needed to wait till the battery was on temperature, and I would never challenge a fast car as it could be “dog slow” with a cold battery.
On the consumption side, if you drive both at the same speed and you accelerate in the same manner, the M50 will consume a little bit less, but as soon as you deviate with either the 50 or the 60 you can easily consume more or less than compared to a 50 …

[NomoTesla]

I saw a review recently where the iX 50 hit 0-60 in only 4.0 seconds when the battery SOC was at 90%.

[xueju1121]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

I saw a review recently where the iX 50 hit 0-60 in only 4.0 seconds when the battery SOC was at 90%.

Low 4 0-60 is reasonable and well achievable by 50. Motor Trend also tested it in 4.0 secs with 1 ft rollout.