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      08-11-2023, 12:09 PM   #1
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I ran across an interesting article that compares various comparisons between several types of vehicles which included a chart displaying maintenance services. I edited this chart to show the EV vs ICE services and costs and have attached it as a PDF file.
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I would adjust the tire replacement part to be higher in the EV. I've read several complaints about tires not lasting past 8-10K in various newer EVs. Including i4s.
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I would adjust the tire replacement part to be higher in the EV. I've read several complaints about tires not lasting past 8-10K in various newer EVs. Including i4s.
FWIW, they didn't last past that mark with my last 2 ICE M cars... I'm at 16k miles in my i4 now and I'm just about due to replace my rears (I replaced my fronts a bit early, around 12k, because I had a puncture in the sidewall). Either way, I think peoples expectations are just off. If they were driving a car with similar torque and performance tires.. they should expect similar results... mine are only exceeding my normal mark because I have all-seasons and I'm not pushing corners as hard.
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      08-11-2023, 04:15 PM   #4
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FWIW, they didn't last past that mark with my last 2 ICE M cars... I'm at 16k miles in my i4 now and I'm just about due to replace my rears (I replaced my fronts a bit early, around 12k, because I had a puncture in the sidewall). Either way, I think peoples expectations are just off. If they were driving a car with similar torque and performance tires.. they should expect similar results... mine are only exceeding my normal mark because I have all-seasons and I'm not pushing corners as hard.
With the P4S on my i4 ed40 I don't think they'll last past 12K and I'm at 9K. On my past cars they would last 20-25K. It's not just the hp and torque, at least with the i4 there is a lot of toe in the rear that's eating up the tread.
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I put about 125k in my previous Tesla over a 5 year span.

Changed tires twice at a time of ~$900 each time.

Did the Tesla yearly check ups 3 times that were paid ($250). Flushed the battery coolant once at 80k miles ($650).

Some warranty work, but nothing too crazy thereÖ.

Totally running costs (not including electricity) was like a little over $3250.

When I had an A6 (drove that till 95k) pretty sure I spent that much for the 40k in pre-paid maintenance.

My Iíve put 6k on my I4 in the last 2ish months. Havenít checked the service screen, but really curious to see what BMW tries to pull with servicing.
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      08-12-2023, 02:14 PM   #6
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My Iíve put 6k on my I4 in the last 2ish months. Havenít checked the service screen, but really curious to see what BMW tries to pull with servicing.
Pull? Nothing for the 1st year, 2nd year had two items. 1 was brake fluid flush and second I don't remember but might have been inspection or something like that.
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I would adjust the tire replacement part to be higher in the EV. I've read several complaints about tires not lasting past 8-10K in various newer EVs. Including i4s.
EVs consume tire tread at a great rate than ICE vehicles: greater weight and instant torque. Very true.
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With the P4S on my i4 ed40 I don't think they'll last past 12K and I'm at 9K. On my past cars they would last 20-25K. It's not just the hp and torque, at least with the i4 there is a lot of toe in the rear that's eating up the tread.
There's a lot of toe in the rear of my X7 as well, and pretty much any performance-oriented car out there, certainly nothing specific to the i4.

What are the previous cars you're comparing? I might have come close to 20k in my 428i GC, but that was seriously lacking any power any likely had an inferior tire that prioritized longevity over performance. I expected to be around 15k for the i4, maybe less, just like I would have if I got the M440i. The higher weight and more torque would certainly play a roll, but I would never expect a performance tire on a performance oriented car to last more than 20-25k.
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There's a lot of toe in the rear of my X7 as well, and pretty much any performance-oriented car out there, certainly nothing specific to the i4.

What are the previous cars you're comparing? I might have come close to 20k in my 428i GC, but that was seriously lacking any power any likely had an inferior tire that prioritized longevity over performance. I expected to be around 15k for the i4, maybe less, just like I would have if I got the M440i. The higher weight and more torque would certainly play a roll, but I would never expect a performance tire on a performance oriented car to last more than 20-25k.
When I had my M50 lowered I had them dial out a lot of the toe. Both front and rear.

The handling difference isn't significant, but tire wear is.

I've had this done on my cars in the past.
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When I had my M50 lowered I had them dial out a lot of the toe. Both front and rear.

The handling difference isn't significant, but tire wear is.

I've had this done on my cars in the past.
I thought about that on my X7 since it's pretty noticeable to the eye and has a big impact on the wear, I think my SA even suggested it, but I figured I'd really feel it driving more like an SUV in the corners on that car. With the low center of gravity on the i4, I could see that not being as worry, especially if you don't put it's weight into the corners.
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There's a lot of toe in the rear of my X7 as well, and pretty much any performance-oriented car out there, certainly nothing specific to the i4.

What are the previous cars you're comparing? I might have come close to 20k in my 428i GC, but that was seriously lacking any power any likely had an inferior tire that prioritized longevity over performance. I expected to be around 15k for the i4, maybe less, just like I would have if I got the M440i. The higher weight and more torque would certainly play a roll, but I would never expect a performance tire on a performance oriented car to last more than 20-25k.
F10 535i and F30 328d.

I don't have a performance car it's the mid range i4 (well below mid range now that the xdrive 40 is available). I would expect the tires to easily last 20K miles but with the i4 it wont make it past 12K.
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When I had my M50 lowered I had them dial out a lot of the toe. Both front and rear.

The handling difference isn't significant, but tire wear is.

I've had this done on my cars in the past.
I'm going to get this done on the i4 when I get new tires. The current ones are... well lets just say it's too late to bother
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When I had my M50 lowered I had them dial out a lot of the toe. Both front and rear.

The handling difference isn't significant, but tire wear is.

I've had this done on my cars in the past.
I have done this on prior bmws too. Wear from tires is greatly improved.
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my first set of rear tires had to be replaced at 9k on my iX 50 and fronts around 14k. EVs definitely go through tires quicker because of the weight and torque. it was the same on my i3's.
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I would adjust the tire replacement part to be higher in the EV. I've read several complaints about tires not lasting past 8-10K in various newer EVs. Including i4s.
This is a weird one, but I have a little insight. My Chevy bolt came with some special EV tires.
Long story short, after some research, they are just shaved versions of another tire. I would speculate they shave off tread to reduce weight. I couldnít find any difference besides tread depth.
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FWIW, they didn't last past that mark with my last 2 ICE M cars... I'm at 16k miles in my i4 now and I'm just about due to replace my rears (I replaced my fronts a bit early, around 12k, because I had a puncture in the sidewall). Either way, I think peoples expectations are just off. If they were driving a car with similar torque and performance tires.. they should expect similar results... mine are only exceeding my normal mark because I have all-seasons and I'm not pushing corners as hard.
Agreed,
My M3 tires needed to be replaced before 10 k, my tesla 3 tires looks pretty good at 19k. And tesla is way faster (and probably heavier)
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BTW , the inspection cost an EV is half of an ICE car.
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I would adjust the tire replacement part to be higher in the EV. I've read several complaints about tires not lasting past 8-10K in various newer EVs. Including i4s.
EVs def run through tires a lot faster for sure!
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I would adjust the tire replacement part to be higher in the EV. I've read several complaints about tires not lasting past 8-10K in various newer EVs. Including i4s.
EVs consume tire tread at a great rate than ICE vehicles: greater weight and instant torque. Very true.

Not true, I,m at 42k miles still on factory yoko's with 3mm, 10k was done on winters.
So 32k miles never done in previous ice BMW's most of them were 3 liter diesels.
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I definitely go through tires more with my DD tesla model 3

Iím on the second set in 18 month and 40k in miles Iíve accumulated

I just replaced all 4 at a discounted figure based on the tire manufacturers mileage guarantee
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The EV tyre wear is overstated - Iíve had ICEVs that wore tyres faster than my EV. The fossil fuel lobby is very keen to get this and other unfounded Ďissuesí established in peopleís minds. Similar stuff is heavy EVs collapsing car parks; visually impaired being flattened in droves because theyíre so quiet (never been an issue for Rolls-Royce ICEVs); batteries catching fire (although 20x more ICEVs go up in flames, pro rata); battery range suddenly collapsing; heavy depreciation; and so on.

I recently changed my 2nd local run-around and chose the model first, then the power train. I got a quote for 3 and 7 year maintenance packages for equivalent petrol, diesel and electric versions - the EV cost was 50% that of the ICEV contract.

My EV doesnít have a combustion engine; doesnít have an auto gearbox; doesnít have a driveshaft or differential. So no surprise really that itís cheaper to maintain than my 2 Series. And thatís without doing the ICEV maintenance that BMW says isnít necessary, but actually is: e.g. ZF say their auto needs an oil change at 60K miles - BMW say itís ďlifetimeĒ which is out-and-out untrue. Drexler say their LSD needs an oil change around 40K miles - BMW say the Drexler MP LSD oil is similarly ďlifetimeĒ. And so on.

Iíd be the first to say that EVs arenít right for a wide range of use cases. But in terms of maintenance, theyíre a no-brainer.
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I think we should all consider the terminology. Itís not rear toe, itís camber. BMWís usually have more camber in the rear, which is easily addressed by an alignment shop so long as the camber arms are adjustable. If toe was out you would be shredding tires very fast, and you would notice excessive feathering on the edge of the tread. As someone who has had both EV and ICE, the tire debate is less about the car and more about the combination of driving style, climate, and type of tires (A/S vs Summer UHP).
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