[tylopoda]

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As a long time BMW owner (Two Z4s, X3, and 328i and xi), I was so excited to test out the iX SUV since we switched to a Tesla a few years ago. We had the perfect opportunity to test it out with our family of 5 while on vacation in the south of France and I fell in love.





VIDEO: We traded our Tesla Model Y for the BMW iX EV SUV in the stunning French Alps

[ApplePhy]

great video. my wife also made the jump from a model Y to the BMW ix50.

curious to see your thoughts on the 2?

we are thoroughly enjoying the iX, it's honestly in a different league vs. the Y.

[NomoTesla]

All people who eventually find the strength and self-respect to flee the Tesla cult are happy they did so and would never turn back. I believe this to be a universal truth. I haven't met a single person who switched from a Tesla to something else that ever wished they could go back to their Tesla. Not a single one.

The problem with most Tesla owners is that they've never had a true premium car experience. Most of them are coming from low-end Hondas, Toyotas, and Kias. Or they are so obsessed with 0-60 and quarter mile speed that nothing else matters. Or software is the most important thing to them and the quality of the car and driving experience takes a back seat to the iPad strapped to the dashboard.

If you want great software, get an iPhone. That's not a reason why anyone should be buying a car, frankly.

[cfm56d7b]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

All people who eventually find the strength and self-respect to flee the Tesla cult are happy they did so and would never turn back. I believe this to be a universal truth. I haven't met a single person who switched from a Tesla to something else that ever wished they could go back to their Tesla. Not a single one.

The problem with most Tesla owners is that they've never had a true premium car experience. Most of them are coming from low-end Hondas, Toyotas, and Kias. Or they are so obsessed with 0-60 and quarter mile speed that nothing else matters. Or software is the most important thing to them and the quality of the car and driving experience takes a back seat to the iPad strapped to the dashboard.

If you want great software, get an iPhone. That's not a reason why anyone should be buying a car, frankly.

One could not possible say this any better.

[Barry123]

Originally Posted by cfm56d7b

One could not possible say this any better.

The only thing I disagree with in Nomo's post is the comment about the iPhone. Apple is another cult company. Nice to see the EU finally puytting pressure on their proprietariness (is that a word?).

[buddenfan]

My cousin has always has BMW’s and now has an X7 for the familt car and a Tesla Plaid for himself and he’s obsessed with his Plaid. I drove it and its a pretty amazing car. I still love my beemer tho but cant hate on Tesla

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

All people who eventually find the strength and self-respect to flee the Tesla cult are happy they did so and would never turn back. I believe this to be a universal truth. I haven't met a single person who switched from a Tesla to something else that ever wished they could go back to their Tesla. Not a single one.

The problem with most Tesla owners is that they've never had a true premium car experience. Most of them are coming from low-end Hondas, Toyotas, and Kias. Or they are so obsessed with 0-60 and quarter mile speed that nothing else matters. Or software is the most important thing to them and the quality of the car and driving experience takes a back seat to the iPad strapped to the dashboard.

If you want great software, get an iPhone. That's not a reason why anyone should be buying a car, frankly.

As an ex-Tesla owner I agree 98% of this. There ARE some things Tesla does right, and better than anyone. Charging is #1. Route planning and pre-conditioning are also top tier. Overall package efficiency is excellent. And the software DOES make a difference. Usually it makes the car easier to live with.

But sometimes it does not. Like auto wipers, phantom braking, dropped streaming connections, erratic auto lane change, etc. And don't get me started on build quality, component quality and design choices.

I have yet to experience an iX but did finally get to drive an i4 M50i so I got a feel for BMW's EV powertrain tuning. I'd described the i4 as a Model 3 Performance built by BMW. I would imagine the iX somewhere between the Model Y and Model X in feel.....but built by BMW. Everything works with a similar mindset and ethos....just a LOT better. Smoother. More cohesive. More logical. More quality.

[stoked335d]

Tested both 50 and 60 versions of it. It’s a great vehicle wrapped up in ugly skin.

Bet they would have sold more of them if they were not so fugly outside.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

The problem with most Tesla owners is that they've never had a true premium car experience. Most of them are coming from low-end Hondas, Toyotas, and Kias. Or they are so obsessed with 0-60 and quarter mile speed that nothing else matters. Or software is the most important thing to them and the quality of the car and driving experience takes a back seat to the iPad strapped to the dashboard.

Before buying my Model 3, I owned E39/2, E70, and F31. The F31 and the Tesla overlapped by a month, during which I was able to decide which car to keep. Could have easily resold the Tesla at a profit, sold the F31 instead.

Feel free to tell me I don't exist.

[M2COMP]

I would love to switch to iX from X7, ready there mentally for an EV but can’t swallow the shape of iX. Beauty is subjective but you really have to have a mothers heart to love iX.

[bmwix1]

Tesla had a major head start and enjoyed a long period of less competition due to the ineptness of the legacy automakers. From now on, fierce competition will even the playing field and only time will tell who will do better in 2040.
Tesla's quality issue is by choice to stay competitive at cost of their loyal followers. The biggest arsenals at Tesla's disposal are super charger and streamlined cheap production process at mass scale. It will take time for others to catch up super charger. There isn't really any difference to pump gas from BP, Shell, Exxon. As EV matures, I doubt super charger will have any edge. As far as building cheap cars, Chinese EV makers will give Elon a serious run for his money.

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

All people who eventually find the strength and self-respect to flee the Tesla cult are happy they did so and would never turn back. I believe this to be a universal truth. I haven't met a single person who switched from a Tesla to something else that ever wished they could go back to their Tesla. Not a single one.

The problem with most Tesla owners is that they've never had a true premium car experience. Most of them are coming from low-end Hondas, Toyotas, and Kias. Or they are so obsessed with 0-60 and quarter mile speed that nothing else matters. Or software is the most important thing to them and the quality of the car and driving experience takes a back seat to the iPad strapped to the dashboard.

If you want great software, get an iPhone. That's not a reason why anyone should be buying a car, frankly.

Truer words have not been spoken before. I’ve been beating this drum of Tesla being an attractive option to only those who came from economy vehicles and felt it was a step up. Electric charging isn’t that much cheaper even at home but that’s an EV discussion. BMW are late to game but they brought great overall packages in their iX,i4 with the same BMW driving dynamics.

[ashutoshkotha]

[QUOTE=NomoTesla;30498225]All people who eventually find the strength and self-respect to flee the Tesla cult are happy they did so and would never turn back. I believe this to be a universal truth. I haven't met a single person who switched from a Tesla to something else that ever wished they could go back to their Tesla. Not a single one.

The problem with most Tesla owners is that they've never had a true premium car experience. Most of them are coming from low-end Hondas, Toyotas, and Kias. Or they are so obsessed with 0-60 and quarter mile speed that nothing else matters. Or software is the most important thing to them and the quality of the car and driving experience takes a back seat to the iPad strapped to the dashboard.

If you want great software, get an iPhone. That's not a reason why anyone should be buying a car, frankly.

How will you charge your car though?

[JK479]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Before buying my Model 3, I owned E39/2, E70, and F31. The F31 and the Tesla overlapped by a month, during which I was able to decide which car to keep. Could have easily resold the Tesla at a profit, sold the F31 instead.

Feel free to tell me I don't exist.

You don’t exist except in the 4th dimension. Also I know a few who sold tesla to then jump right back in. I see both your points- he was speaking in absolutisms. Where it’s falling flat.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Before buying my Model 3, I owned E39/2, E70, and F31. The F31 and the Tesla overlapped by a month, during which I was able to decide which car to keep. Could have easily resold the Tesla at a profit, sold the F31 instead.

Feel free to tell me I don't exist.

We are looking at a Model 3 Performance for my wife (which would replace her OG M2). We both test drove the car this past weekend and were really surprised (in a positive way). There are definitely some cheaper materials in certain places, but it's only a ~$45K car (her M2 was close to 60, brand new in 2018). It is definitely not perfect, but we didn't experience the types of build quality issues that have been described online.

It felt nice in all the places you touched, and the user experience was a lot easier than I was expecting. We might actually get one. We aren't looking at any of the BMW or other German manufacturers, as the charging network for Tesla is much, much more developed than anyone else. It seems like a good car, and we are not part of the cult, either.

I was also surprised by the steering - it was really good, and much tighter than I would have expected. I have a 718 Spyder, so I have daily experience with what I consider to be "good" electric steering. The performance was also awesome (obviously). Lots to consider with this type of purchase, but we are more likely to get one now than we were before driving one.

[F30-XP-DM]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

All people who eventually find the strength and self-respect to flee the Tesla cult are happy they did so and would never turn back. I believe this to be a universal truth. I haven't met a single person who switched from a Tesla to something else that ever wished they could go back to their Tesla. Not a single one.

The problem with most Tesla owners is that they've never had a true premium car experience. Most of them are coming from low-end Hondas, Toyotas, and Kias. Or they are so obsessed with 0-60 and quarter mile speed that nothing else matters. Or software is the most important thing to them and the quality of the car and driving experience takes a back seat to the iPad strapped to the dashboard.

If you want great software, get an iPhone. That's not a reason why anyone should be buying a car, frankly.

This is a ridiculous statement. I’ve had previous Audi and BMW for quite a while and traded them in for a Model 3. At the time it was just for a new experience and something different. It’s been 3 years for me and I wouldn’t even consider going back. I don’t care one bit about the software or 0-60, just want a great daily driver. 80k miles later and zero service center appts - I’m happy. Also have spend MAYBE $300 max to get the juice to go 80k miles(free charging everywhere). The only thing I miss is the 6mt

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I was also surprised by the steering - it was really good, and much tighter than I would have expected. I have a 718 Spyder, so I have daily experience with what I consider to be "good" electric steering. The performance was also awesome (obviously). Lots to consider with this type of purchase, but we are more likely to get one now than we were before driving one.

Ha. The Model 3 / 718 household combo seems to be way more frequent than these two cars' sales numbers would suggest.

[Game]

Really don't know what BMW is thinking not bringing the iX 40 to the states. It'd sell like hot cakes.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

We are looking at a Model 3 Performance for my wife (which would replace her OG M2). We both test drove the car this past weekend and were really surprised (in a positive way). There are definitely some cheaper materials in certain places, but it's only a ~$45K car (her M2 was close to 60, brand new in 2018). It is definitely not perfect, but we didn't experience the types of build quality issues that have been described online.

It felt nice in all the places you touched, and the user experience was a lot easier than I was expecting. We might actually get one. We aren't looking at any of the BMW or other German manufacturers, as the charging network for Tesla is much, much more developed than anyone else. It seems like a good car, and we are not part of the cult, either.

I was also surprised by the steering - it was really good, and much tighter than I would have expected. I have a 718 Spyder, so I have daily experience with what I consider to be "good" electric steering. The performance was also awesome (obviously). Lots to consider with this type of purchase, but we are more likely to get one now than we were before driving one.

The outgoing Model 3 Performance is a screaming bargain.

The steering fools you on a test drive by being hyper sharp and super fast. I'll give it that. But the suspension. Unless they've changed the suspension since my 2020 (andthey might have) the suspension SUCKS. Like really bad sucks. It bobs and bobs and never settles down. My kids literally got bounced off the rear seat. It's bad enough to where I made videos about how badly the secondary ride quality was. Watch how everything horizontal (bridges, signs, etc) just doesnt....stop....bouncing:

Some other things that you don't get from a test drive. The brakes are downright scary. Yes, you use regen for most braking but when you get into the physical brakes...yikes! Seats..my 2014 Cayenne has more lateral bolstering. Coupled with the slippery vinyl and the hyper fast steering and you're trying to hold yourself in at every opportunity.

Parts quality (not build quality). Yeah the touch points are all soft. But you realize down the road everything is cheap. Door panels and other interior bits are thin and cheap. Seats are insubstantial (but comfortable, will give them that). You find more and more cheap the longer you live with it.

Customer service was bad and getting worse when I sold mine.

The charging is wonderful.

The software is excellent. Except sometimes it's not and you want to kill someone. Or Elon goes on a ketamine trip and has the developers push a software update which makes things get worse (has happened).

I'd wait for the refresh to hit the streets and see what happens. Supposedly materials quality is better as is suspension.

[dmode]

Dare I say that iX is the best non performance car in the BMW line up today. If they didn’t mess up with the grill design and absurd pricing, it will crush the EV SUV market. I will still buy one even though I don’t like the design

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by dmode

Dare I say that iX is the best non performance car in the BMW line up today. If they didn’t mess up with the grill design and absurd pricing, it will crush the EV SUV market. I will still buy one even though I don’t like the design

The grill grows on you, and the current lease incentives make the car cheaper to own than anything else above the mid $60K-range. The iX is the best BEV value anywhere right now, well, best value for an expensive car.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

“Before buying my Model 3, I owned E39/2, E70, and F31. The F31 and the Tesla overlapped by a month, during which I was able to decide which car to keep. Could have easily resold the Tesla at a profit, sold the F31 instead.

Feel free to tell me I don't exist.”

I put that dude on “ignore” now he doesn’t exist