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2022 iX50--> Tesla Model 3--> 2024 iX M60. A review and my experience.
![]() Featured on BIMMERPOST.com 2022 ix50 Pros -Having had zero EV experience, I wanted to maximize range and went with the base model with 20" wheels. They're hideous. So much so that I had them powder coated black. With that, I think they look halfway decent now. BMW started making them this way for base models a couple months after I bought mine, which saves the buyer from having to pay $500 to do it themselves. But I was always annoyed about not being able to get the improved looks of the sport package. Regardless, there was a very welcome, unexpected benefit: the ride quality. The combination of high profile tires with narrow width (which flies in the face of the industry trend of increasingly ultra-wide, ultra-low-profile tires on gigantic wheels) and the air suspension system resulted in the best quality ride I've ever experienced. I had no idea a car could even be that comfortable, and this is compared with my friends'/colleagues' Rovers, S-classes, etc. Coming from a 2016 X5m, the difference was stark. -The HK sound system is outstanding. It's the best available factory installed sound system I'd heard prior to the BW -I'd never experienced any ADAS system for any significant amount of driving until my wife's Cayenne arrived in 4/2022. It has InnoDrive, which is okay at best, but it's best described as glorified cruise control. I wouldn't pay for it again. TJA, in contrast, was amazing. I used it for about 8000 highway miles, and it never made a mistake. It behaved as a non-aggressive human driver would. Once traffic would die down, it would require the hands to go back on every 20 seconds or so while still driving the car perfectly. It was a tease for what the future would hold: hands free driving at highway speed. That future irritatingly came less than half a year after I bought the car with highway assistant, and my desire to trade the car was strong. [side note: I think this general direction is more appropriate than what other companies are doing with their ADAS, as the number of variables on a divided highway is far lower. I wouldn't want to assume the liability of errors/accidents made by a system driving around pedestrians, cyclists, dense traffic with intersections, etc (looking at you, Tesla).] -Carplay is just amazing. It works perfectly in this car, and the giant wide screen is perfect for it. Cons -The doors sound hollow when you close them. And the frameless windows add to a cheap/cheesy feeling overall. Luxury cars should have a satisfying and solid "thunk" when you close the doors. Minor point, but it's something you experience every time you use the vehicle. -This is another minor point, but the car has an undefeatable startup sound and undefeatable, loud, and very cheesy-sounding pedestrian warning noise at low speed. It sort of sounds like the noise made when UFOs fly in 1950s movies - perhaps made on a theremin? Not the biggest deal, but again, it's something you experience every time you use the vehicle. -This is for basically all EVs now, unfortunately: the touch panel HVAC controls are insufferably bad. This will never, ever, ever be okay. They're hard to navigate and frankly dangerous to use while in motion. While buttons and dials had grown out of control with late model German cars, having almost ZERO buttons is much worse. I'm sure the market will correct for this over time, and I can't wait for that day to come. -There's no alcantara option for the roofliner. This is completely unacceptable for a $100k-range car. -The natural leather is so incredibly luxurious. It feels more luxurious than the merino leather in my X5m. It's very fine grain, and it's worth every penny. Even after they increased the price by $1k. If forced to, I'd consider paying $10k for it over the sensatec, which my father has in his iX (yeah, we've now owned 3 iXes in my family). Sensatec is rough and just feels cheap. Sensafin's another story. I've since test driven a couple 2024 X5s with it, and I have to say it's quite nice. I still prefer real leather, but if BMW moves completely away from real leather, Sensafin's really not bad at all, and I prefer it strongly to the cheapo Dakota and Vernasca leathers on lesser BMWs. -The mandatory panoramic electrochromic roof. It works just fine, but when it breaks, the repair costs over $10k. Others have posted about it on this forum. It's specifically NOT covered by BMW's windshield repair program. The repair isn't a simple replacement, but it requires a huge disassembly that involves removal of much of the body underneath. I constantly lived in fear of this happening, and it'd end up being an expensive hit to my insurance. I'd much prefer the car to be cheaper and have the option of a regular roof. I don't care about a sunroof at all, and even if it were a zero-dollar option, I'd choose a regular metal roof over this thing. -This brings me to the biggest con of all: repair times. All cars break, and all cars need repairs. I was fortunate to have an iX that didn't have any major intrinsic problems, so I didn't have to suffer a stop sale or a lengthy factory replacement of anything. But out of 14 months of ownership, I only drove my car for 6 of them. Why? In 9/2022, about 1 month into ownership, I side swiped a low-set parking pole at work. It's only like 2 feet tall, and it was in a weird place right by the front of the parking spot. I'd never driven a car with IAS before, so I wasn't used to the tank-like steering, and I swiped it. Oh well. $hit happens. Minor body damage to the front fascia and quarter panel. Normally, this sort of thing would take a week or so, but no. This took 2 months. I get it....there's a parts delay, but that's nuts. I got my car back and enjoyed it for 6 months, but I started shopping for a 2024 iX to get highway assistant. Trade in values were still reasonable in March/April 2023, but then I test drove a 24 iX50, and the ride without air suspension was distressingly worse. It was about as uncomfortable as my X5m. My wife, who doesn't pay any attention to cars, started getting nauseated and asked what's wrong with the car. I drove a few more, across the range with 20", 21", and 22" wheels. The test drives were standardized on the same route, including a pothole-ridden side street by my workplace that REALLY tests a suspension. All the rides were terrible. If my 2022 iX with 20" wheels and air suspension gets a 10/10 for ride comfort, my dad's 2023 iX50 (with air suspension) and 22" wheels gets an 8, and all the iXes without air suspension get between a 2 and a 3. I gave up on the 2024 at that point, since I liked my car and couldn't get air suspension. Then in May, a guy rear-ended me at about 40 mph in a giant dually in stop-and-go freeway traffic. The iX kept me safe and even remained drivable afterward. There was no damage to the drivetrain or battery. I took it to the biggest BMW collision center where I live (in DFW), and then chaos ensued. The driver was an undocumented worker. Fortunately, I took video of the event, and it showed him in a tee shirt advertising the company to which the vehicle was registered and insured. The owner was in Mexico and took almost the entire time allowable by law to respond. He finally did, which allowed HIS insurance company to start paying the tab, since his worker was responsible. Prior to that, it was on MY dime and MY deductible. The collision center estimated damages around $25k (that bill is now around $40k, despite there being zero drivetrain/battery damage). State Farm got me into a rental, and amazingly, they consider a TESLA MODEL 3 as "comparable" to the iX. A model 3. A 40k piece of garbage. Ok. Fine. If it's for a couple weeks or so, no big deal. But no. This wasn't a couple weeks. May turned into June, and then July. The parts were delayed indefinitely. I started to inquire about just trading the vehicle as is, but I didn't like the deals I was seeing, and I was told things would move "any day now", so I continued in this way for an ADDITIONAL THREE MONTHS. The general story went like this: "hey we got most of the parts, but we're just waiting on this one additional thing." Then that "one additional thing" would arrive, and they'd realize they needed another "one additional thing." Then some bull$hit glue would be needed, and that needed to come from Detroit, then go to Germany for approval, then come to Texas. I gave up. 3 weeks ago I asked the dealership to make me an offer on the vehicle as is. They did, and with the money insurance paid for diminished value and time lost from work, it was good enough for me to just end this nightmare. I took advantage of the lease deal and leased a fully loaded iX60. The 2022 iX STILL isn't repaired as of today. 2023 Tesla Model 3 I drove this mobile toilet for 6 months, so here's my review. Pros -green light chime. It should be standard on all cars. -Autopilot doesn't require hands-on very much. It functions almost like highway assistant, just not as good. -The screen is nice -The energy usage display is absolutely fantastic. This is just so very well done, and it enables me (obviously an obsessive guy, per this post) to feed my addiction to quasi-meaningless data Cons -The build quality is a joke. Everything pops, squeaks, and rattles. -The fake leather is truly one of the worst materials I've felt. It wears quickly, looking like 20-year-old cracked leather in about a month. -The ride quality is a joke. -The NVH is off the charts. I'd bet Elon's Space X rockets have less cabin noise than this. -The windshield. This thing rejects zero heat, and it made me appreciate the iX's slightly orange thermal shield on the windshield. It makes me wonder if Elon secretly designed it this way to try to burn us peons like ants in the sun under a magnifying glass. -Because I was in a model 3 for 6 months, I kept having to exchange for new ones at Hertz once every 60 days (per policy). There's a saying: "no 2 Teslas are the same." I can verify this. They all had their weird foibles. And they weren't overused cars. They all had <10k miles on them. -No CarPlay. This stopped me from even considering a Model S or X in the first place, before I test drove them for fun a few years ago. CarPlay is just so much better than any other interface, including BMW's. -And my friends' newer Model Ses are the same as the Model 3: low quality cars built by a really interesting tech company that happens to build cars. 2024 ix60 Pros -The quality. I can't stress enough how jarring it is to go from a Tesla to an iX. It's just SO, SO, SO much better. The fit and finish are amazing. Zero things rattle. I think this is actually a little better put together than the 2022 iX I had. At 70 mph, I measure 61 dB(A) in the cabin, which is 1 decibel quieter than my last iX. This brings me to the next point: -21" wheels. I was afraid that the bigger wheel and 255/50 tires (compared to the 20" wheels and 235/60 tires) and stiffened suspension in the m series would result in an uncomfortable ride. They didn't. On the scale I described earlier, I give this car a 9.5/10 for comfort when driving that standardized test-drive route I mentioned. This was a huge, huge relief, since I'd never driven an m model with 21" wheels. -The startup sounds/pedestrian warning noise are different on the m model. The startup sound is a very satisfying growl, and the pedestrian noise is both much better-sounding and quieter. I wish I could just disable all these, but at least now I actually like the noises. (and yes, I've disabled the stupid iconic sounds) -Highway assistant. It's perfect. I've driven about 500 miles now with it, and it just works. It reminds me of the big tech leaps I've experienced in my life, like the transition to HDTV, the introduction of the iPhone, the switch from PC to Mac around 2008, fiber internet, etc. -Storm gray. This is my first non-black car I've ever owned. It's just gorgeous, and the color is a bit different depending on the lighting. In direct sunlight, it's especially fantastic. -BW sound - wow! I used to install car stereos a million years ago, so I have an ear for quality sound, and this is the best I've ever heard in a factory system Cons -Despite the lease deal, this thing is still expensive. -I didn't really want or need the m60, but this was the only way to get all the features I want without placing a special order. And once you spec out a 50 similarly, it's almost 110k anyway. -Fear. I live in constant fear of something happening to this car, and then it'll be the same bull$hit all over again with the repair shop. |
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I agree with all of this. The door closure sound in particular sounds like you’re slamming the door of a base model Kia. Overall it is quite an amazing machine though, and thanks for the comparisons to the 50…I have never driven one and wondered about those.
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This is the reason I've kept an old ICE vehicle, parked on the street, where it is at constant risk for catalytic converter theft or break ins. I fear that if anything happens to either of my 2 EVs, it will be out of commission for months. I detest starting it up every couple of weeks and taking it out for a short drive just to make sure it's OK. Since I haven't filled the tank since 2022, I worry if the old gas is going to cause damage. But I can't stand driving it for any period of time. |
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I agree with all of this. The door closure sound in particular sounds like you’re slamming the door of a base model Kia. Overall it is quite an amazing machine though, and thanks for the comparisons to the 50…I have never driven one and wondered about those.
Me too. I also agree with every word of the OP's post. I have the exact same feelings. However, one important thing we should consider is that we are super spoiled with the great suspension and handling of the iX, especially the 2022-2023 iX50's with the air suspension and rear-steering, it's amazing. When I drove a 2024 iX50, it felt not as smooth as my 2023, but it's all relative. The 2024 is still incredibly amazing compared to my old X5 and certainly better than any of my other friend's cars I ride in. But when I'm in someone else's car, I notice all the little rattles, shakes, and noises, and it drives me crazy. I can't wait to get back to my 2023 iX, because it's the best, and I have to admit I'm now a totally spoiled brat!!! |
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A happy totally spoiled brat. [Good place to be in this regard.]
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Great write up. 100% on the iX doors.
I just spent a little time with a 2024 i5 (just e40) and the framed doors sound like a 80s or early 90s Mercedes....heavy, solid and with that satisfying Teutonic "thunk"! I think the iX doors might even sound worse than Tesla Y or 3! |
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Yep while we are being picky.. I would be fine with a metal roof instead of the glass roof, and full frame doors with a solid feel. I have the '24 iX50 w/22" wheels and it has an amazing ride. Coming from a '22 X5 w/19" wheels which was also good.
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i get it that the door closing sound is not good, but given those two positives (let alone the third one if one gets self-closing doors in which there is no negative of door closing sounds), I too vote for more range better and better looks.
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According to spec m60 has a 20% stiffer suspension than 50.
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It’s definitely stiffer but still extremely smooth. If you want the most comfortable ride you need to get an iX 50 with air suspension, second is the sports tuned iX 60 (air suspension is standard), third is the iX 50 with springs. I’ve driven all three and to be honest they are all amazing. But I’m totally spoiled now that my main driver is an iX 50 with air suspension. iX 60 is a close second.
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When I had an unfortunate incident with a curb I opted to rent a Model Y while BMW took 30+ days to send the parts for repair.
I absolutely despised the Model 3. Wait, I hear you thinking: didn't you just say you rented a Model Y? Why yes, I did -- I paid Hertz.com for a Y yet when I showed up they said they didn't actually have any Model Ys available and the Model 3 was "just the same". This pretty much set the stage for my first, and only, Tesla experience. Why should I have to take my eyes off of the road to see how fast I'm going? Wtf happened to the center instrument cluster and who thought this was A Good Idea? It's not a good idea, it's incredibly idiotic. The turn signal. OMG THE TURN SIGNAL. Bane of my existence. Flip it on and change lanes, it turns itself off. OK, cool, I guess, maybe gimmicky. But flip it on, change lanes, and make a turn? It'll turn itself off after the lane change -- most of the time. Sometimes it'll stay on, sometimes it won't. One day, on the same turn, it stayed on but the next day it turned off after the lane change... and the next day it stayed on. Who knows what it'll do! It was absolutely maddening and very clearly violated the 8th Amendment. Why are all the iPad-esque clickboxes for controls SO TINY? I wanted to change the A/C because it was 110F+ out but the clickbox to decrease cabin temperature was super super tiny and took a bunch presses (increasingly forceful, I should add) to get the damn thing to work, by which point I was a sweaty mess. No Android Auto. Why? I don't want to learn all your wacky maps things, I want to use Google like I've been doing for years because I'm severely directionally challenged... but Tesla insists I use *their* maps -- which doesn't have my office address since it's so new. That's cool, I'll just Bluetooth in and have Google Maps call out navigation, taking my eyes off the road to check the speed and check Google Maps at the same time. I honestly don't understand why people flock to the 3 and the Y (which, per Hertz, is "the same thing"). Don't get me wrong: BMW is hardly tops on my list now that my vehicle has been in the shop, first for 30ish days while waiting for ze Germans to ship parts over and now for a whopping 43 days waiting for some engineer at BMW to figure out why my $110k vehicle's parking sensors see ghosts and make me park by myself like some sort of plebian. |
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Prior to getting my iX60, I'd never driven a 60 with 21" wheels, because there literally wasn't one to try at any dealership near me for months. The take rate on the 22" wheels must be almost 100%. With that in mind, I was very pleasantly surprised to find that the ride comfort difference between the combinations of 20"/iX50 and 21"/iX60 is almost imperceptible. It's much less perceptible than the difference between the 20"/iX50 and the 22"/iX50. And to reiterate, ALL combinations with air suspension are dramatically more comfortable than without it. And all iX60s come with air suspension. So to summarize my proprietary comfort ratings: iX50/20" with air: 10/10 iX50/21" with air: never drove one iX50/22" with air: 8/10 iX50/20"-22" without air: 2-3/10. They were all uncomfortable. iX60/21": 9.5/10 iX60/22": 7/10 Bonus rating: my old 2016 X5m: 1/10. It might be more comfortable to ride a pogo stick in Dallas than that car. (I did love that car, but man I probably fractured my spine taking potholes in it. And I had to have my alignment fixed half a dozen times) |
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1 - My personal Tesla is mechanically perfect. No rattles or unaddressed mechanical issues. It works as well as it was designed to work. Not so with rentals. Every rental car I’ve ever driven has *something* wrong with it. That’s because it does not have a picky owner who will work to resolve an issue with it. It just has temporary drivers who will put up with whatever faults it has for the short period the are driving it. 2 - Rental Teslas don’t have Premium Connectivity, or the Enhanced AP or FSD licenses. Both of these make a big difference in the user experience. The navigation system does not account for traffic in routing decisions. All the apps such as Youtube or music streaming don’t work. And basic AP doesn’t do lane changes, not to mention it runs on a different software stack which is much less advanced. 3 - Rental Teslas are usually running an older software version which is missing many of the latest features. Again, an owner would update, but nobody bothers on a rental. 4 - Rental Teslas don’t provide Phone/App access. This means you have to carry around a keycard in a bulky frame. It requires physical contact to both unlock the doors, and start the vehicle. You can’t precondition the vehicle. You can’t get notified when charging is complete. You can’t see the location of the vehicle or view all of the cameras from your app. Everything you love about having a Phone key is not available. 5 - As for Model Y vs. Model 3, the Model Y is larger, period. More passenger space, more trunk space, and being an SUV, a higher driving position. |
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It has seriously dark magic. It stays on until you complete your lane change. It will remain on when you change into a lane with turn arrows. It will turn off when you take a fork in the road. It is like it is psychic. It rarely makes mistakes. It is easy to turn off - there is a setting for it. Per the other stuff, there is also a setting to make text bigger. I highly recommend that to fix the problem of overly small text and icons.
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