[jamesinaz]

OK, I am over my snit with BMW from the other thread so lets not rehash it. I have a right to vent on occasion.

BTW the sales efforts are impressive. Place I bought my 2021 X5 got notified that I did a payoff request from BMW Financial and sales manager sent me an email. And hour later I get a call from a salesman. Who claims he was just going through files of past sales. Yet he does work for the sales manager that emailed me. Twilight zone.

Looking at the midsize SUV EV market BMW has the Xi. Which I test drove early when it was introduced. I liked it. But it has a lot of good competition.

Personal needs in a car help. I am older, do not care about sporty any longer, and this car will probably never spend a night outside my garage being well within the range of all the current EVs. I don't do road trips. Looking for reliability and comfort and ease of driving (for wife unit).

Contenders include Xi, Hyundai and Kia, Genesis, Cadillac Optiq ( shocks me), Audi and I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

Would love opinions of Xi owners on satisfaction or any other EVs in this class.

One thing that struck me when talking to the sales guy from BMW was he suggested it is better to lease than buy EVs since the tech is changing so rapidly and if their resale value plummets better to let BMW take the hit. Wondering if he gets a bigger commission or if there is some value to this.

Probably going nowhere with this as my current X5 has 32K on it but... hey I've been known to trade in with lower mileage.

[Weiman]

It's iX, unless you're looking in a mirror.

[IDBGOD]

The iX is a solid vehicle if you are looking for a spacious EV. The new 2026 recently had a face lift, and you have 3 versions to choose from. It actually has more cargo capacity than an X5, and still handles like a BMW.

Like any electric they depreciate like crazy, so they are better to lease. BMW also puts out heavy incentives on EV leases ($9900 in rebates alone before any dealer discounts).

The salesperson doesn’t get paid any different in his commission whether you lease or purchase the vehicle, and frankly….. pretty much no one is paying sticker on an iX so he’s pretty much guaranteed a flat couple hundred bucks at best.

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by IDBGOD

The iX is a solid vehicle if you are looking for a spacious EV. The new 2026 recently had a face lift, and you have 3 versions to choose from. It actually has more cargo capacity than an X5, and still handles like a BMW.

Like any electric they depreciate like crazy, so they are better to lease. BMW also puts out heavy incentives on EV leases ($9900 in rebates alone before any dealer discounts).

The salesperson doesn’t get paid any different in his commission whether you lease or purchase the vehicle, and frankly….. pretty much no one is paying sticker on an iX so he’s pretty much guaranteed a flat couple hundred bucks at best.

Thanks. That is useful information. I have no reason to change cars except - I can. LOL. And I'm OK leasing since we don't drive a lot.

Wishing the iX had an air suspension option. I would prefer day to day softer ride than most BMWs have. My wife has a very bad back and suffers on rough roads with the typical BMW suspension ala the current X5, previous 5 series etc.

Have to admit I'm going to check out the Cadillac's. Optic and Lyric have a lot of nice features on paper.

[StradaRedlands]

Add the Honda Prologue & Chevy Blazer twins to the list.

[dumptruck]

https://www.buick.com/suvs/enclave

[vt100]

Originally Posted by Weiman

It's iX, unless you're looking in a mirror.

But Xi sounds much more intriguing

[G30M]

EVs depreciate between 40-50% a year, at least where I live, so definitely lease. Heck I've bought 2 EVs, first was a demo with no miles at 40% off, and I bought another new EV at 30% off. Knowing that driving it out of the lot will cost me another 20% on top.

You want a iX AWD with the longest range (i think it is the 50). You want air suspension. You want rear wheel steer.

The only other ones I'd consider if I were you, would be Audi and Merc. Audi is probably more comfortable than the iX. The seats in the iX have absolutely zero support. Though comfort and support would be personal.

[jamesinaz]

Thanks for the ideas. I am laughing every time I see this thread because I started it at 3 in the AM due to a small animal (kitten) that decided I had to get up and I was sleep deprived. Xi sounds more like a Chinese prime minister than a car.

OK On suggestions so far. Buick has everything right except it isn't an EV so far as I can see. Truth be told it is perfect except my wife cares about the badge on the car.

On the Honda/Chevy interesting you mention those. I saw a Blazer parked next to the golf course yesterday and it looks really good. Again though wife unit might kibosh that without a Prada line.

I am not a big fan of Merc right now as it seems they want at least $10K more for the same vehicle as BMW or Audi. My sister has a top of the line EV Audi SQ8 Etron and I liked it. Wife unit might be an issue again as her last car before we dropped down to a single car family was a Q3 and she thinks they are all not luxurious enough. Hey, I married for her looks and work ethic not her brains.

Would love hearing if anyone has one of the Cadillac.

And good info that leasing is a better decision. Think I might chase down that rabbit hole. I need to investigate what to look for regarding buy out at the end etc.

[STi from DSM]

2014 Subaru Legacy. My Dad had one and it was the most comfortable seats I have ever sat in in any car I have ever driven. (Other than my 2020 X3MC which had a jarring ride but the seats were top notch)
Granted the car was about as boring as watching paint dry. Sorry for not being help to your current question. I'm not an EV guy.

I do have to admit the only reason I clicked on this was I thought there was a new model to the lineup, lol.

[ubercruise]

The new iX 60 has more range, but you probably don't need that nor the extra power. The iX 45 seems to better suit your needs, is cheaper and you can option it with air suspension. The iX is a fantastic car, I don't even have air suspension on mine and it's still plenty comfortable and smooth. Not sure where you are in AZ but an underrated feature here in the valley is the IR reflective glass on the windshield - of course you can remote start climate control but if you forget, the cabin in mine in the dead of summer is hot, but not painful/burning. It definitely helps. I'd for sure lease again, you can usually get decent deals if you look around a bit and are a good negotiator, else you can look up a lease broker to see what they have.

I do have to say the Cadillacs intrigue me but I know GM at least for a while had some issues, they might have been resolved now. No Apple CarPlay or Android Auto if that matters to you. The Optiq is a fair bit smaller than the iX, the Lyriq is closer - again if that matters at all. If ride quality is important I'd say the Optiq may be a bit harsher just by virtue of wheelbase difference, but I have not been in one of those yet.

[BlkGS]

I bet you could get a Wagoneer S or a Macan EV for basically free. Most of these EVs aren't selling hardly at all, should be easy to get a crazy cheap deal.

Wagoneer S was leasing for like $300 a month on a $70+ k vehicle.

[ubercruise]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I bet you could get a Wagoneer S or a Macan EV for basically free. Most of these EVs aren't selling hardly at all, should be easy to get a crazy cheap deal.

Wagoneer S was leasing for like $300 a month on a $70+ k vehicle.

There's a reason the Wagoneer S is so cheap, but for $300/mo I'd probably take a flyer on it if I needed a new car. It's supposedly not smooth or all that comfortable, which OP may value more than the cost. The Macan EV I haven't seen any good deals on (nor do I see good lease deals on Porsches in general).

[M3Sleeper]

I drove the IX right when they came out. I know dealers offered their employees some crazy deals on EV BMW's since they were not moving at the time.

At $100K that car is nice but its about $40,000 overpriced.

Fast yes, nice to drive with 1 foot around town no need to touch the brake in most cases.

Its really cool when the car slows down completely to a stop just by taking your foot off the throttle.

but not cool enough to give up a turbo charged gas powered car/suv.

The X5M, X3M, X4M, and XM are all superior SUV's and the first 3 are within a similar price range to the IX.

[M3Sleeper]

I do have to say the Cadillacs intrigue me but I know GM at least for a while had some issues, they might have been resolved now. No Apple CarPlay or Android Auto if that matters to you. The Optiq is a fair bit smaller than the iX, the Lyriq is closer - again if that matters at all. If ride quality is important I'd say the Optiq may be a bit harsher just by virtue of wheelbase difference, but I have not been in one of those yet.[/QUOTE]

My 2024 Escalade has apple play not sure about the other models

[ubercruise]

Originally Posted by M3Sleeper

I drove the IX right when they came out. I know dealers offered their employees some crazy deals on EV BMW's since they were not moving at the time.

At $100K that car is nice but its about $40,000 overpriced.

Fast yes, nice to drive with 1 foot around town no need to touch the brake in most cases.

Its really cool when the car slows down completely to a stop just by taking your foot off the throttle.

but not cool enough to give up a turbo charged gas powered car/suv.

The X5M, X3M, X4M, and XM are all superior SUV's and the first 3 are within a similar price range to the IX.

The OP does not care about sportiness and wants a comfortable ride, so they definitely don't want an M model (unless their wife wants it for the badge lol). They're also open to leasing and gas models lease poorly. Because of their short around town driving and desire for comfort and smoothness, a non-sporty EV seems to make sense in their use case.

Originally Posted by M3Sleeper

My 2024 Escalade has apple play not sure about the other models

I know they're supposed to phasing it out for EV models. I think the Lyriq may still have it for now though.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by ubercruise

There's a reason the Wagoneer S is so cheap, but for $300/mo I'd probably take a flyer on it if I needed a new car. It's supposedly not smooth or all that comfortable, which OP may value more than the cost. The Macan EV I haven't seen any good deals on (nor do I see good lease deals on Porsches in general).

It's cheap because nobody wants them. The charger EV is like $250 a month, lol.

It's cheap because they get $7500 of taxpayer debt money that they apply to the lease and then still ask for money down.

It's cheap because Stellantis totally misread their customer base and whiffed so hard that they are a case study in how to fail.

[ubercruise]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

It's cheap because nobody wants them. The charger EV is like $250 a month, lol.

It's cheap because they get $7500 of taxpayer debt money that they apply to the lease and then still ask for money down.

It's cheap because Stellantis totally misread their customer base and whiffed so hard that they are a case study in how to fail.

Nobody wants Stellantis products. But for $350 a month effective monthly, it might be worth it to some.

[dumptruck]

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/ioniq-5-n

Doesnt have the badge, but is a “special” edition.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by ubercruise

Nobody wants Stellantis products. But for $350 a month effective monthly, it might be worth it to some.

They sell a lot of other products, I think the bigger reality is "the people who would buy a Stellantis product don't want EVs".

Reality is, the venn diagrams don't mesh. Jeep buyers don't want a vehicle tied to charging stations. Muscle car guys don't want an EV with fake sounds. And the stereotypical s ooty rich person that owns an EV isn't going to want to buy into a brand that has historically been about big V8 cars and trucks that go vroom vroom.

[ubercruise]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

They sell a lot of other products, I think the bigger reality is "the people who would buy a Stellantis product don't want EVs".

Reality is, the venn diagrams don't mesh. Jeep buyers don't want a vehicle tied to charging stations. Muscle car guys don't want an EV with fake sounds. And the stereotypical s ooty rich person that owns an EV isn't going to want to buy into a brand that has historically been about big V8 cars and trucks that go vroom vroom.

Yeah that’s what I’m saying. I think it’s clear Stellantis is trying to change their clientele base, but they’re just not doing a good job of it and getting stuck in the middle.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by jamesinaz

Would love hearing if anyone has one of the Cadillac.

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I have only read about reliability issues with them but maybe you can read up. Electric cars are like your laptop. When they work it's great, but any software glitch will render the item frozen dead. Usually some kind of a reboot is the fix but not always, if a hardware issue is stopping the software from running.

BUT for $300 a month lease I'd get a Lyriq EV in a heartbeat.