[moesess34]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

It has been over 100 degrees in ATX every day for three weeks, and triple digits don't leave the forecast any time soon. Explaining the heat to provide this info, my Taycan hasn't seen any range reduction in the triple digit heat, zero change from when it was 70-80 degrees this past spring. So maybe something is wrong with your iX, or maybe the cooling system isn't as efficient? I do know my iX M60 never, ever hit ranges others on here consistently got, but mine was a lemon with some major issues (hence trading it in my Taycan CT 4S).

Warm weather is my ix’s friend. In the winter the car does lose range. Even with spirted driving I’m getting over 300 miles in my m60

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by moesess34

Warm weather is my ix’s friend. In the winter the car does lose range. Even with spirted driving I’m getting over 300 miles in my m60

I never got more than 260 miles of range on mine, and 44.1kW/100miles. It had so many issues, shame as it was a very nice vehicle.

[sor]

Originally Posted by JK479

Our x5 (non hybrid) gets about 480 miles. I like EV’s but why take a cheap rental car on a trip and leave a nice car at home. Right now gas is easier. On the IX I get barely 290. And I’ve seen where a hot day (95 degrees) killed the battery just during it normally.

There’s a debate because it’s great but just not there for ease of use.

You couldn’t pay me to drive 290 miles without stopping. I mean, I’d do it if I absolutely had to, but I don’t feel like I require any car with 400+ miles of range. If I’m going to drive and enjoy the experience , I’m going to be stopping every three hours or so at most.


It’s all a matter of preference of course. Just interesting to me how some people think 290 is just not usable, and others like me find it more than enough for long road trips.

[MAMOHT]

It’s about 180mi between my house and Orlando. I’ve deiven that route countelss times. I do not think there has been one time when I did that route without stopping. Range is just merely mental thing as I see it.
When it some to rural US that is totally different. But rural folks do not use EV’s a whole lot and they have valid reasons to do that.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

It has been over 100 degrees in ATX every day for three weeks, and triple digits don't leave the forecast any time soon. Explaining the heat to provide this info, my Taycan hasn't seen any range reduction in the triple digit heat, zero change from when it was 70-80 degrees this past spring. So maybe something is wrong with your iX, or maybe the cooling system isn't as efficient? I do know my iX M60 never, ever hit ranges others on here consistently got, but mine was a lemon with some major issues (hence trading it in my Taycan CT 4S).

I think Porsche handles thermal loss MUCH better than bmw. You can literally run that Taycan very hard and besides losing battery the power loss isn’t there.

It’s well documented- but this is a great real world owner of the Porsche showing evidence here…

[JK479]

Originally Posted by sor

You couldn’t pay me to drive 290 miles without stopping. I mean, I’d do it if I absolutely had to, but I don’t feel like I require any car with 400+ miles of range. If I’m going to drive and enjoy the experience , I’m going to be stopping every three hours or so at most.


It’s all a matter of preference of course. Just interesting to me how some people think 290 is just not usable, and others like me find it more than enough for long road trips.

Wow- really? I often drive into NYC (350 miles) in one go. I wouldn’t stop, I’m the opposite I guess. I just want to get there.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by sor

You couldn’t pay me to drive 290 miles without stopping. I mean, I’d do it if I absolutely had to, but I don’t feel like I require any car with 400+ miles of range. If I’m going to drive and enjoy the experience , I’m going to be stopping every three hours or so at most.


It’s all a matter of preference of course. Just interesting to me how some people think 290 is just not usable, and others like me find it more than enough for long road trips.

A 4-5 hour car trip should be no problem. I can’t wait to have an EV that delivers 400 miles. That will be awesome.

[FultonMDUSA]

Originally Posted by sor

You couldn’t pay me to drive 290 miles without stopping. I mean, I’d do it if I absolutely had to, but I don’t feel like I require any car with 400+ miles of range. If I’m going to drive and enjoy the experience , I’m going to be stopping every three hours or so at most.

290 miles is absolutely acceptable, but I think some want that range fully loaded, towing a trailer, at 85 mph, in below zero temperatures, with a 5 minute charging station at every exit.

[sor]

Originally Posted by JK479

A 4-5 hour car trip should be no problem. I can’t wait to have an EV that delivers 400 miles. That will be awesome.

I think to hit that realistically, we need a massive power density change.

I was discussing this with a friend who debates holding out for the max range cybertruck. I said ”do you tow?” He said no. I said, “Do you really want to be carrying an extra 800 lbs of battery, all the time, everywhere you go, just to do 500 miles max on occasion instead of the 350 mile stock?”

Especially when a trip like a 400 mile one is easily doable with just a ten minute “stretch your legs” snack stop to top off a bit of battery in most EVs today.

It’s a trade off, but hardly unusable range in EVs today for vast majority.

[FultonMDUSA]

Originally Posted by JK479

Wow- really? I often drive into NYC (350 miles) in one go. I wouldn’t stop, I’m the opposite I guess. I just want to get there.

350 miles in northeast traffic. To NYC? Fly.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by sor

I think to hit that realistically, we need a massive power density change.

I was discussing this with a friend who debates holding out for the max range cybertruck. I said ”do you tow?” He said no. I said, “Do you really want to be carrying an extra 800 lbs of battery, all the time, everywhere you go, just to do 500 miles max on occasion instead of the 350 mile stock?”

Especially when a trip like a 400 mile one is easily doable with just a ten minute “stretch your legs” snack stop to top off a bit of battery in most EVs today.

It’s a trade off, but hardly unusable range in EVs today for vast majority.

Good points

And I make the NY trip twice a year. But… I travel to Canada more often and wouldn’t think of taking an EV yet.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by FultonMDUSA

350 miles in northeast traffic. To NYC? Fly.

We drive because we pack for a long stay. And have a car at the house during that stay. Are you going to have a car ready for us at the airport? And help pack the car at the airport? What a useless conversation we are having. Let’s get back to BMW discussion

[MAMOHT]

I just hope that BMW and the pack are really serious about making their initiative to actually work rather than just getting on the government money bandwagon.

[DO444]

Originally Posted by exxxviii

There are a couple different dynamics getting thrown around here... The first is that the NACS de-facto standardization is only the plug. It is not the infrastructure for handling authorization, payments, etc. - not even the stations.

Next, the DC fast charging thing is mostly solving for road trips. Stations in urban, suburban, and rural areas would not adding a lot of value. Owners would mostly be charging at home, work, or the gym on L2 chargers in daily driving and almost never need a DC fast charger.

The need is along major thoroughfares. They are likely to be rural and urban, but not suburban. The idea is that major driving routes have enough stops along the way that people can do extended trips in an EV.

This JV, even if it uses NACS, would not have to integrate with Tesla's back end and APIs in any way. They can all do their own thing. The only integration necessary is for the Tesla Superchargers to recognize your non-Tesla VIN for charging at one of their stations. You can do that right now at any of the Magic Dock stations.

So...[LIST][*]BMW and this JV could adopt NACS any time without any agreement with Tesla. SAE is set to standardize it as the J3400 connector. That would mean that they could put the connectors on their cars and JV charging stations whenever.[*]NACS just improves the connector and gets us away from the CSS/J1772 debacle.[*]This JV puts $1B of DC fast chargers in the wild. They can be CCS/J1772, or NACS, or both. Doesn't matter.[*]These new JV DCFCs don't need to talk to Tesla at all. Drivers just need to have an account with the [...]

All this says to me is, I want an ice car.

[ixDriver]

Originally Posted by MAMOHT

I just hope that BMW and the pack are really serious about making their initiative to actually work rather than just getting on the government money bandwagon.

This is my concern - what is the entity that is going to build, operate and maintain these chargers? How will it be funded? Will it be open to outside investors? Does it have any sort of profit motive / exit plan (IPO)?

As we've seen so far, EA was basically formed in spite and operated as such.

A teen forced by their parents to do laundry before going out with friends will not do the same quality of job as someone paid to do housekeeping..

[sor]

Originally Posted by ixDriver

This is my concern - what is the entity that is going to build, operate and maintain these chargers? How will it be funded? Will it be open to outside investors? Does it have any sort of profit motive / exit plan (IPO)?

As we've seen so far, EA was basically formed in spite and operated as such.

A teen forced by their parents to do laundry before going out with friends will not do the same quality of job as someone paid to do housekeeping..

People keep saying this, but I’m not convinced when the Taycan is VAG’s best selling Porsche in the US now. They have good motivation to make EA work, and have had for awhile.

Might be why they are aggressively swapping all their hardware with newer units, the old ones are unreliable. There are a few manufacturers of this power equipment and seems they had issues with some.

[ixDriver]

Originally Posted by sor

You couldn’t pay me to drive 290 miles without stopping. I mean, I’d do it if I absolutely had to, but I don’t feel like I require any car with 400+ miles of range. If I’m going to drive and enjoy the experience , I’m going to be stopping every three hours or so at most.


It’s all a matter of preference of course. Just interesting to me how some people think 290 is just not usable, and others like me find it more than enough for long road trips.

Yeah that's about where I've always been at, ICE or EV.
Living in the middle of NYC, my average speed to get anywhere is painfully low. I am never heading anywhere rural enough that I am going to hit speeds north of 70mph for long.

I have parents & in-laws in CT 75mi away, which take 2 hours to get to, sometimes 3 hours in major holiday traffic delays. We often make a stop going but make it back nonstop on return.

I have a sister down 95/NJTP 170mi away but it takes almost 4 hours to get there. There is always a stop each way, sometimes 2. ONCE when we had to pitstop at a Walmart topping up at an EA charger, 10mi in the wrong direction we then managed to make the full 180mi return nonstop because it was late and we basically flew the whole way.

Even going to see my brother in Boston which is technically 220mi is something like a 5 hour trip. We did that once, never driving it again. Happy to take a train.

If I was going 85mph sustained, then 350mi trips without stop might be a different story... but still for us, unlikely.

[ixDriver]

Originally Posted by sor

People keep saying this, but I’m not convinced when the Taycan is VAG’s best selling Porsche in the US now. They have good motivation to make EA work, and have had for awhile.

Might be why they are aggressively swapping all their hardware with newer units, the old ones are unreliable. There are a few manufacturers of this power equipment and seems they had issues with some.

The way the company operates, it doesn't seem like they care.
Even the new hardware they have swapped in has issues (surges) and failures not much better than the old ones.

They don't design&build the hardware, nor do they even write the software. It's all OEM stuff cobbled together, with some marketing, support and management.

By comparison, Tesla's chargers are of their own design and production. You never hear this excuse from Tesla that they can't get chargers/parts, with stations left in disrepair for months at a time.

[akin67]

Are you guys getting that 290 - 300 mile range with the recommended 80% charge or are you getting that with a 100% charge?

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Pictor

Why are there suddenly so many uninformed comments here. Ah, front page news bringing in folks. Welcome and grab a seat.

No standards? ISO-15118 (look it up) Yes, there are several plugs globally but in the EU there is one standard for DCFC which is CCS2, in the US it's CCS1. The SC network in the EU also uses CCS2. NACS is not yet a standard — yet. And the plug doesn't solve any problems other than it's a smaller handle. Most of the world uses ISO-15118 as a communication standard. Take a look at https://www.charin.global/community/ to get insight into the members who help define the standards - BMW is a founding member and the guys who run the SC network are there too.

There needs to be a standard on the charge port location. Like in gas cars? The Germans are the only ICE manufacturers that I've seen do this with their cars. American cars use all sorts of locations including hidden behind license plates if you go back a few decades. What side should the charger be on for a global car? Remember there are RHD and LHD cars. People want street side parking and charge at the same time. Sure you can standardize on the front or rear and there are tradeoffs with those locations as well. Think about towing, bike racks, accessible considerations, etc. This is not the biggest problem but it will improve as EVs move to bespoke platforms.

States asking people not to charge their EVs? References please. But In 2021 CA did ask people to conserve power during peak times which is typically in the afternoon and early evening. [...]

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[ixDriver]

Originally Posted by akin67

Are you guys getting that 290 - 300 mile range with the recommended 80% charge or are you getting that with a 100% charge?

I think summer weather, 80% charge being 290mi is about right provided you keep your average speed at 70mph and below.
Note InsideEVs got 345mi real-world 70mph highway range in their testing, which put it #3 in range out of the 30+ cars they tested- https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791...-test-results/

For recent reference, I have a regular NYC <--> LI run, I got 3.3-3.5mi/kWh on an 85mi drive in recent summer trips. Puts my 100% range at 370-390mi. Similar efficiency to see my parents in CT on a 75mi drive.

The bad news is NYC/LI/CT traffic has me going like 45mph average on these trips (mileage mix is 33% at a painful 25mph to exit city / 66% at 70mph, and if lucky the further I get, the 70mph starts to hit 80mph for the last 10mi).

On local road driving my efficiency goes as high as 3.8mi/kWh but there's a big tradeoff there if its really hot & really short trips (1-2mi) as you burn a lot of battery cooling the car down for the short ride.

[NoMods]

BMW and KIA drivers sharing a charging station, what can go wrong 😉😁