[ricerboi]

Originally Posted by ubercruise

Kind of a different type of car though. If you want outright performance, sure. But otherwise it's much smaller, no good ADAS or OPD if you're a buyer that values comfort and tech more. Amazing car and I know plenty of iX owners will cross shop it nonetheless.

I have a Vessel Cart bag. With standard length drivers and woods with the bottom stuffed in a corner, the woods always stick out and the trunk doesn’t “close” and I have to manually stuff the trunk shut. Constantly. Putting multiple golf bags in is complicated and that’s when the woods need to come out which is annoying. I end up just putting down the back seat to throw the bags in but then I don’t feel safe leaving my car when I can’t cover my clubs in the trunk because SoCal is so…unsafe…

With the X5’s and the deeper trunk and the trunk cutouts behind the wheelwells, I can easily go club-side into that hole and slip the bag completely horizontally which opens up a bunch of space.

Anyways I will never stand down on this. I’ve done a ton of miles on my X5 when it was my daily+roadtripper (25k miles/year) and now on my iX (80k miles over 2.7 years). I have a lot of stuff and sports equipment on trips with family and a car seat. The iX SUCKS for more than 2 people on trips. It just does. Stop trying to justify it. It’s a great daily driver with grocery runs and around-town errands. It’s bearable on day trips to be a bit more crowded. Absolutely sucks on road trips for luggage and equipment space, no to mention how much the seats suck for a BMW of this price.

[theotherdave]

Originally Posted by EV Fan

When I intervene in hands-off mode it's usually because I'm passing someone who's sitting toward the left side of their lane. The 'nudge over' feature would be very helpful...BMW should include it in a SW upgrade.

Even though the Mach-e has this capability, it is very ... mixed. It will move away from trucks - yes. But on highways like the Pennsylvania Turnpike that have old sections with a high concrete wall in the middle with very little shoulder, the Mach-e doesn't recognize the wall. It's a little freaky driving between that wall and a truck iin the next lane. <shiver>. To be honest, Tesla gets that much better.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by ricerboi

I have a Vessel Cart bag. With standard length drivers and woods with the bottom stuffed in a corner, the woods always stick out and the trunk doesn’t “close” and I have to manually stuff the trunk shut. Constantly. Putting multiple golf bags in is complicated and that’s when the woods need to come out which is annoying. I end up just putting down the back seat to throw the bags in but then I don’t feel safe leaving my car when I can’t cover my clubs in the trunk because SoCal is so…unsafe…

With the X5’s and the deeper trunk and the trunk cutouts behind the wheelwells, I can easily go club-side into that hole and slip the bag completely horizontally which opens up a bunch of space.

Anyways I will never stand down on this. I’ve done a ton of miles on my X5 when it was my daily+roadtripper (25k miles/year) and now on my iX (80k miles over 2.7 years). I have a lot of stuff and sports equipment on trips with family and a car seat. The iX SUCKS for more than 2 people on trips. It just does. Stop trying to justify it. It’s a great daily driver with grocery runs and around-town errands. It’s bearable on day trips to be a bit more crowded. Absolutely sucks on road trips for luggage and equipment space, no to mention how much the seats suck for a BMW of this price.

I recently took an i5 on my standard ski weekend and was shocked that it seemed to fit my gear more easily than the iX. Two people: Two loaded boot bags and two sets of skis inside ski bags plus two weekender bags seems to leave more space for potentially two extra passengers in the i5 vs. the iX which seems to only accommodate 1.
It’s quite close, but for a ‘compromised platform” at only 4” longer, the i5 impressed.

[ubercruise]

Originally Posted by ricerboi

Anyways I will never stand down on this. I’ve done a ton of miles on my X5 when it was my daily+roadtripper (25k miles/year) and now on my iX (80k miles over 2.7 years). I have a lot of stuff and sports equipment on trips with family and a car seat. The iX SUCKS for more than 2 people on trips. It just does. Stop trying to justify it. It’s a great daily driver with grocery runs and around-town errands. It’s bearable on day trips to be a bit more crowded. Absolutely sucks on road trips for luggage and equipment space, no to mention how much the seats suck for a BMW of this price.

I’ve done several golf road trips with multiple people, several road trips with a baby and a dog. I’ll justify it for my personal use by the simple fact that it worked fine with luggage and clubs or baby gear. No, its not as spacious as a Tahoe or a minivan or something. I’m also not trying to claim it’s the class of the segment or anything, I just think it’s better than “absolutely sucks”. If it doesn’t work for you or the things you pack, fine. I just think it’s wild to say nobody else can justify it just because it doesn’t fit your personal needs. Half the reason I got the car was to be a comfortable cruiser on longer trips, and since everything already fits in my trunk, the differing shape of an X5 trunk wouldn’t make much difference for me. If anything it would just result in less passenger space (which is one thing passengers always rave about in the iX, unprompted). I also always test fit the trunk, car seat, etc on cars I test drive to make sure things like suitcases, strollers, clubs etc fit okay because cubes/volume is a difficult thing to conceptualize with numbers only compared to real world use. Sounds like we just have different use cases/experiences and can agree to disagree and move on. I do agree on the seats.

[ubercruise]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

I recently took an i5 on my standard ski weekend and was shocked that it seemed to fit my gear more easily than the iX. Two people: Two loaded boot bags and two sets of skis inside ski bags plus two weekender bags seems to leave more space for potentially two extra passengers in the i5 vs. the iX which seems to only accommodate 1.
It’s quite close, but for a ‘compromised platform” at only 4” longer, the i5 impressed.

This is where having a middle-seat-only fold or trunk pass through would come in handy. I’ve always found long sedans fit skis better because they can use up the less-desired middle seat which is also not affected by the position of seats in front of them.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by ubercruise

I’ve done several golf road trips with multiple people, several road trips with a baby and a dog. I’ll justify it for my personal use by the simple fact that it worked fine with luggage and clubs or baby gear. No, its not as spacious as a Tahoe or a minivan or something. I’m also not trying to claim it’s the class of the segment or anything, I just think it’s better than “absolutely sucks”. If it doesn’t work for you or the things you pack, fine. I just think it’s wild to say nobody else can justify it just because it doesn’t fit your personal needs. Half the reason I got the car was to be a comfortable cruiser on longer trips, and since everything already fits in my trunk, the differing shape of an X5 trunk wouldn’t make much difference for me. If anything it would just result in less passenger space (which is one thing passengers always rave about in the iX, unprompted). I also always test fit the trunk, car seat, etc on cars I test drive to make sure things like suitcases, strollers, clubs etc fit okay because cubes/volume is a difficult thing to conceptualize with numbers only compared to real world use. Sounds like we just have different use cases/experiences and can agree to disagree and move on. I do agree on the seats.

Spot on. My last car was a Polestar 2 and I required more space when its time was up.

Do I wish the iX more space efficient? Absolutely. The fat rear end completely baffles me. I know there are suspension components in there, but surely there's some wasted space. Maybe it's full of carbon fiber.

And while I am not always sold on a frunk, it is helpful to store charging cables and other things that now take up the under floor storage in the back.

Seems BMW did not even try to maximize cargo space in the iX, despite it being a bespoke EV.

[ubercruise]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

Spot on. My last car was a Polestar 2 and I required more space when its time was up.

Do I wish the iX more space efficient? Absolutely. The fat rear end completely baffles me. I know there are suspension components in there, but surely there's some wasted space. Maybe it's full of carbon fiber.

And while I am not always sold on a frunk, it is helpful to store charging cables and other things that now take up the under floor storage in the back.

Seems BMW did not even try to maximize cargo space in the iX, despite it being a bespoke EV.

Yeah I can definitely agree that it’s not optimized, and definitely not trying to insinuate that it’s perfect or that everyone needs to be pleased with it. I just think it’s… “suitable” for a 5 seat mid sized SUV instead of “terrible”. Perhaps the second row it would be neat if it were on tracks and could move up/back a couple inches; I prefer the passenger room to trunk space 95% of the time but it allows the option at least. If trunk space were my top priority or I regularly needed more room, I’d get a class of car larger than the iX or X5.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by ubercruise

Yeah I can definitely agree that it’s not optimized, and definitely not trying to insinuate that it’s perfect or that everyone needs to be pleased with it. I just think it’s… “suitable” for a 5 seat mid sized SUV instead of “terrible”. Perhaps the second row it would be neat if it were on tracks and could move up/back a couple inches; I prefer the passenger room to trunk space 95% of the time but it allows the option at least. If trunk space were my top priority or I regularly needed more room, I’d get a class of car larger than the iX or X5.

It’s perfectly fine! I’m just saying it’s not perfect.

[NomoTesla]

Every design is a compromise. Ford made compromises in the Mach-e in order to be able to use off-the-shelf components for its cooling loop. BMW made some packaging compromises in order to get the car to market. Fortunately, the compromises are not readily visible.

Lack of OPD in Porsche is one compromise too far.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

Lack of OPD in Porsche is one compromise too far.

That's just hubris. I mean, there's no reason for Porsche to not offer it except VAG doesn't want to. It could probably be done via a few lines of code.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

That's just hubris. I mean, there's no reason for Porsche to not offer it except VAG doesn't want to. It could probably be done via a few lines of code.

OPD is one of the best aspects of driving an EV imho. I'm shocked since Porsche puts higher value on the driving experience than automation. Maybe they just want folks to replace their expensive brakes more often!

[mfdutra]

Originally Posted by ricerboi

no to mention how much the seats suck for a BMW of this price.

It just baffles me BMW didn't use the X5/X7 seats on the iX. They are SO MUCH better.

[exxxviii]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

OPD is one of the best aspects of driving an EV imho. I'm shocked since Porsche puts higher value on the driving experience than automation. Maybe they just want folks to replace their expensive brakes more often!

I think there are two things getting muddled together here: regenerative braking and OPD. Braking regen is what saves brake pads. Early on, I don’t think Porsche did regenerative braking with the Taycan, and range was terrible. I’m pretty sure they are doing regen now. I don’t think they added OPD.

I understand why Porsche might have omitted regen early on if they could not perfect the blending. Trying to track a car with unpredictable brakes would end in disaster. They probably cracked that nut.

But omitting OPD is dumb. You would absolutely turn it off on track days, but you gotta drive to the track…

[thebishman]

Originally Posted by NomoTesla

OPD is one of the best aspects of driving an EV imho. I'm shocked since Porsche puts higher value on the driving experience than automation. Maybe they just want folks to replace their expensive brakes more often!

This is not how the Macan EV or Taycan work: yes, there is no OPD, but when you apply pressure to the brake pedal, you are not engaging the mechanical brakes, rather you are using differing degrees of regeneration in order to slow the car down. The mechanical brakes are only ‘blended in’ during the last few mph before coming to a complete stop, unless the brake pedal pressure goes over a certain threshold in an emergency situation.

[chris_1M]

[QUOTE=cfm56d7b;30885226]From https://spectrum.ieee.org/this-car-runs-on-code (worth reading).

The electric vehicle is a direct reflection of how software engineers performed (or did not).

"Modern car: about 100M lines of code vs 6.5M lines of code in Boeing 787 (avionics and onboard support systems)

Modern car software: 30% of code dedicated to diagnostics

50% of car warranty issues are now related to electronics and embedded software"

We all know Boeing is missing a line … or two ;-)

[EV Fan]

Originally Posted by cfm56d7b

We all know Boeing is missing a line … or two ;-)

Boeing is missing just a few...

IF "I see the ground approaching fast"
THEN Execute Pullup
ENDIF

[Bmwno6]

Originally Posted by ricerboi

I have a Vessel Cart bag. With standard length drivers and woods with the bottom stuffed in a corner, the woods always stick out and the trunk doesn’t “close” and I have to manually stuff the trunk shut. Constantly. Putting multiple golf bags in is complicated and that’s when the woods need to come out which is annoying. I end up just putting down the back seat to throw the bags in but then I don’t feel safe leaving my car when I can’t cover my clubs in the trunk because SoCal is so…unsafe…

With the X5’s and the deeper trunk and the trunk cutouts behind the wheelwells, I can easily go club-side into that hole and slip the bag completely horizontally which opens up a bunch of space.

Anyways I will never stand down on this. I’ve done a ton of miles on my X5 when it was my daily+roadtripper (25k miles/year) and now on my iX (80k miles over 2.7 years). I have a lot of stuff and sports equipment on trips with family and a car seat. The iX SUCKS for more than 2 people on trips. It just does. Stop trying to justify it. It’s a great daily driver with grocery runs and around-town errands. It’s bearable on day trips to be a bit more crowded. Absolutely sucks on road trips for luggage and equipment space, no to mention how much the seats suck for a BMW of this price.

I have a 2024 iX and a 2024 X5. I fully agree with the bad storage set up of the iX. To add, my X5 has dedicated storage compartment under the rear cargo area for the spare tire , tools etc. The iX does not and when i take the spare tire (which I purchased separately) with me on long trips it significantly reduces the rear storage capacity even further.

[NomoTesla]

Originally Posted by thebishman

This is not how the Macan EV or Taycan work: yes, there is no OPD, but when you apply pressure to the brake pedal, you are not engaging the mechanical brakes, rather you are using differing degrees of regeneration in order to slow the car down. The mechanical brakes are only ‘blended in’ during the last few mph before coming to a complete stop, unless the brake pedal pressure goes over a certain threshold in an emergency situation.

Yes, this is how the iX works as well in D mode. However, why does Porsche not offer OPD? I do not want to press the brake pedal. I want to do all of my driving with the accelerator, which is how OPD works. It's a much better driving experience.